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Palestinian
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Any race or group can be genocidal. What's so special about Israelis?
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You're engaging in banal semantics, in lieu of any form of logical or meaningful debate. When I say "citizen" obviously I am referring to the contemporary usage where you'd call somebody who is of a country - a citizen of that country. In the past this was not the case in many places where people could be legally within their own county, yet not considered civilians. An example you may be more familiar with is slaves…
These banal semantics are the legalistic excuses used by genocidal regimes to justify the unjustifiable and to assuade the conscience of collaborators. A close mirror of what is happening in this thread, if you will.
Deporting illegal aliens as literally every single country in existence does has no need of justification. You're the one that needs to justify claims of deporting people, for free, back to their home country as being an 'unjustifiable genocide', but in the end that's fundamentally illogical which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
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What? Where's the bad faith? You made a really dumb argument and got a simple factual response. And you still failed to engage with that response instead making up imaginary persecution.
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No higher authority came in to block your speech. Your peers expressed disagreement with you. Where is the censorship?
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These banal semantics are the legalistic excuses used by genocidal regimes to justify the unjustifiable and to assuade the conscience of collaborators. A close mirror of what is happening in this thread, if you will.
Deporting illegal aliens as literally every single country in existence does has no need of justification. You're the one that needs to justify claims of deporting people, for free, back to their home country as being an 'unjustifiable genocide', but in the end that's fundamentally illogical which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
Run me the numbers on how many people sent to el salvadore were illegal salvadoreans.
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It’s so hard to believe people posting in support of ICE aren’t trolls or bots. Are you watching them commit obscene crimes in broad daylight?
Is it really that hard - Trump didn’t get to power on a technicality - 70 million voted for him.
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If the officers involved had could reasonably believe that they posed an immediate lethal threat at the time, yes it does. Whether or not that was the case is for courts to figure out after things calm down and all facts have been gathered and not a valid reason to call for the shut down of entire agencies with the intent of stopping enforcement of laws you don't like.
Is the immediate lethal threat in the room with us right now? I hope no one ever accidentally believes you're an immediate lethal threat simply for existing, or at least if they do, maybe you'll be lucky enough to not have yuppies on the internet trying to defend your murder. Can the officers in any of these incidents even articulate a threat, and how the only remedy was to shoot through the driver side window, or in…
> Is the immediate lethal threat in the room with us right now?
No, it’s on the streets. They have already murdered two Americans on camera.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
These banal semantics are the legalistic excuses used by genocidal regimes to justify the unjustifiable and to assuade the conscience of collaborators. A close mirror of what is happening in this thread, if you will.
Deporting illegal aliens as literally every single country in existence does has no need of justification. You're the one that needs to justify claims of deporting people, for free, back to their home country as being an 'unjustifiable genocide', but in the end that's fundamentally illogical which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
> which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
> They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
> "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic.
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> But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
~ They Thought They Were Free - The Germans, 1933-45; Milton Mayer
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Deporting illegal aliens as literally every single country in existence does has no need of justification. You're the one that needs to justify claims of deporting people, for free, back to their home country as being an 'unjustifiable genocide', but in the end that's fundamentally illogical which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
> which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games. > They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ > "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the on…
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deporting illegal aliens as literally every single country in existence does has no need of justification. You're the one that needs to justify claims of deporting people, for free, back to their home country as being an 'unjustifiable genocide', but in the end that's fundamentally illogical which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games.
> which leaves you with hyperbole, misrepresentation, and of course these sort of semantic games. > They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ > "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the on…
Again I'd emphasize that you are trying to imply that deporting illegal aliens, something most of every single country on this planet engages in, leads to genocide. There'd rather be a whole lot more genocide were this the case.
And this argument about the Nazis being subtle and just slowly indoctrinating society toward a grand scheme is complete disinformation. Hitler was bonkers and as far back as 1919 he was ranting and raving about removing the Jews from all of Europe. And his speeches certainly didn't moderate that even the slightest. Even in Mein Kampf, again well before he was in major politics, he wrote about how if Germany had gassed some Jews during WW1, they could have saved millions of German lives. You didn't have to spin his words, or argue that innocuous acts might lead to the most egregious - he made his intent unabashedly and unambiguously clear.
So for instance if you listen to the rhetoric of Jewish leaders regarding Palestinians, you can see the same thing. You don't seem to appreciate that people with genocidal intent do not see themselves as evil. They see themselves as the saviors of society, trying to save everybody from some greater evil, and taking on the burden of 'what must be done' upon themselves. The most vile of villains see themselves as the great protagonist of their story.
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Please, enlighten me a non-American, what laws allow shooting and killing civilians on broad light on the USA?
Some people have absolutist takes on these sorts of things. If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world. If they have no sense of when exceptions become intolerable and course-correction becomes necessary, then by definition, no amount of evidence will change their mind.
> If the stated purpose makes sense ("stop illegal immigration"), they will dismiss tragedies as routine accidents of an imperfect world.
Indeed, this is the modus operandi, though I'd argue that it doesn't have to make sense but rather be in the political canon. I recall hearing arguments that "some gun deaths are necessary" (in the context of mass shootings at schools) for us to have our "god-given right" to own guns, but the purpose—owning guns for the ability to... checks notes... stand up to entities that can legally commit violence against you—isn't so obviously sensible.