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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by trcarney »

gf000 wrote: post #347
trcarney wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hold on, are you saying that you should be able to be jailed for manipulation? Where would that end? could i be jailed if i post a review for a restaurant if you feel it manipulated you? or anyone stating an opinion could be construed as manipulation. that is beyond a slippery slope, that is an authoritarian nightmare.

So you think writing a review is somehow on the same magnitude as social media platforms with 300 million-3 billion users? And how is that different from TV channels/media en large having laws to abide by? Slippery slope arguments are themselves slippery slopes..

The TV station thing, talking about the US here, only applies to broadcast TV and it is a condition of getting their a frequency allotment from the government.

No, i am not saying that it is the same. I am saying that it would start as "We are just going after the tech companies" but if you give the government an inch they will take a mile. They would take that and expand upon the hate speech stuff you are already see around the world as an excuse to arrest whoever they wanted.

I am a free market person, so i think these sites are providing something to the market that people like or they wouldn't be there. If you wanted to rein them in, fine but you have to be careful how you word stuff or it gets pretty scary pretty quickly.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by MiiMe19 »

tw04 wrote: post #352
MiiMe19 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every artist is capable of drawing CSAM. Every 3D modeler can render CSAM. Ban all computers !!

And the artist is punished for doing so. Thank you for proving my point.

But we don't ban pencils do we?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by anigbrowl »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

They do have some physical records, but it would be mostly investigators producing a warrant and forcing staff to hand over administrative credentials to allow forensic data collection.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisjj wrote: post #258
ffsm8 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong - at least from the perspective of the commons. First paragraph on Wikipedia > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn,[1][2][3] is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.[4][5] Hones…

> First paragraph on Wikipedia "...the encyclopedia anyone can edit." Yes, there are people who wish to redefine CSAM to include child porn - including even that between consenting children committing no crime and no abuse. Compare and contrast Interpol. https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/A... > The whole argument seems to be centered around the fact that sexualizing children is disgusting, he…

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

arppacket wrote: post #200
techblueberry wrote: post #27

I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?

There was a WaPo article yesterday, that talked about how xAI deliberately loosened Grok’s safety guardrails and relaxed restrictions on sexual content in an effort to make the chatbot more engaging and “sticky” for users. xAI employees had to sign new waivers in the summer, and start working with harmful content, in order to train and enable those features. I assume the raid is hoping to find communications to estab…

> External analysts said Grok was generating a CSAM image every minute!!

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/02/elon-mu...

That article has no mention of CSAM. As expected, since you can bet the Post has lawyers checking.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by ffsm8 »

chrisjj wrote: post #258
ffsm8 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong - at least from the perspective of the commons. First paragraph on Wikipedia > Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM) and by more informal terms such as kiddie porn,[1][2][3] is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.[4][5] Hones…

> First paragraph on Wikipedia "...the encyclopedia anyone can edit." Yes, there are people who wish to redefine CSAM to include child porn - including even that between consenting children committing no crime and no abuse. Compare and contrast Interpol. https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/A... > The whole argument seems to be centered around the fact that sexualizing children is disgusting, he…

> have no idea how anyone could reasonably draw that conclusion from this thread.

> > Honestly, reading your link got me seriously facepalming. The whole argument seems to be centered around the fact that sexualizing children is disgusting, hence it shouldn't be called porn.

Where exactly did you get the impression from I made this observation from this comment thread?

Your interpol link seems to be literally using the same argument again from a very casual glance btw.

> We encourage the use of appropriate terminology to avoid trivializing the sexual abuse and exploitation of children.

> Pornography is a term used for adults engaging in consensual sexual acts distributed (mostly) legally to the general public for their sexual pleasure.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by chrisjj »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #355
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Sadly the media calls the lawful use of a warrant a 'raid' but that's another issue. The warrant will have detailed what it is they are looking for, French warrants (and legal system!) are quite a bit different than the US but in broad terms operate similarly. It suggests that an enforcement agency believes that there is evidence of a crime at the offices. As a former IT/operations guy I'd guess they want on-prem ser…

> I'd guess they want on-prem servers with things like email and shared storage

For a net company in 2026? Fat chance.

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Post by belorn »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #361
gf000 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's surely not as simple as you make it out to be.

Its not. If you call 119 it gets assessed and potentially forwarded to the right department, which then assesses it again and might (quite likely will) trigger an inspection. The people who turn up have broad powers to seize children from the home in order to protect them from abuse. In general this works fine. Unfortunately in some circumstances this does give a very low skilled/paid person (the inspector) a lot of…

In Sweden there is a additional review board that go through the decision made by the inspector. The idea is to limit the power that a single inspector has. In practice however the review board tend to rubber stamp decisions, so incompetence/malice still happens.

There was a huge mess right after metoo when a inspector went against the courts rulings. The court had given the father sole custody in a extremely messy divorce, and the inspector did not agree with the decision. As a result they remove the child from his father, in direct contrast to the courts decision, and put the child through 6 years of isolation and abuse with no access to school. It took investigative journalists a while, but the result of the case getting highlighted in media was that the inspector and supervisor is now fired, with two additoal workers being under investigation for severe misconduct. Four more workers would be under investigation but too long time has passed. The review board should have prevented this, as should the supervisor for the inspector, but those safety net failed in this case in part because of the cultural environment at the time.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by anigbrowl »

gruez wrote: post #326
knallfrosch wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. Again: the threat is so clear that you rarely have to execute on it.

>fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. That's not a credible threat because there's approximately 0% chance France would actually follow through with it. Not even Trump would resort to murder to get rid of his domestic adversaries. As we seen the fed, the best he could muster are some spurious prosecutions. France murdering someone would put them on par with Russia or In…

I think the implication of the fighter jets is that they force the plane to land within a particular jurisdiction (where he is then arrested) rather than allowing it to just fly off to somewhere else. Similar to the way that a mall security guard might arrest a shoplifter; the existence of security guards doesn't mean the mall operators are planning to murder you.
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