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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by PantaloonFlames »

theflyinghorse wrote: post #322
superfrank wrote: post #310

I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Eve…

Workflow is this: - I have emacs open for code editing/reviews/git. - Separate terminal emulator with 1-3 claudes - I work on a story by splitting it into small steps ("Let's move this email logic to the email.service.ts", "here's the fields I'd need to add to the request, create a schema validation in a separate file, and update the router and controller") - I mostly watch claude, and occasionally walk through the c…

yes, similar.

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Post by beart »

raincole wrote: post #307
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. AI really should be a freaking feature, not the identity of their products. What MS is doing now is like renaming Photoshop to Photoshop Neural Filter.

That's a great analogy, but could be taken one step further. Because Adobe would also have to rename the rest of their products to come close to what MS is doing.

  - Adobe Neural Filter Acrobat
  - Adobe Neural Filter App (previously photoshop)
  - Adobe Neural Filter Illustrator
  - Adobe 720 Neural Filter app
  - etc.
By the way, why is app lowercase in "the Microsoft 365 Copilot app"? Is it not part of the trademark but even they couldn't deal with how confusing that was?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by tylerchilds »

paxys wrote: post #126
tylerchilds wrote: post #122

This is funny because everyone’s AI strategy should have been “What do we actually need to be productive?” Which is how Anthropic pulled ahead of Microsoft, that prioritized checks notes Taking screenshots of every windows user’s desktop every few seconds. For productivity.

Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't.

One has existed since the 80s, when was the other founded?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by petcat »

bondarchuk wrote: post #11
onion2k wrote: post #6

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to " 1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code. " You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/engineering-at-microsoft/welc... "Microsoft has over 100,000 software engineers working on software projects of all sizes." So that would mean 100 000 000 000 (100 billion) lines of code per month. Frightening.

I think the point is that they are fantasizing about cutting their engineering workforce by 90% while maintaining the same level of "productivity".

Claude doesn't require paying payroll tax, health insurance, unemployment, or take family leave.

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Post by coffeebeqn »

hightrix wrote: post #337
marssaxman wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

To further your argument, look at the XBOX. It is impossible to tell which is the latest model by name alone. Where the playstation is simple, the latest is the 5, the previous was the 4, and the one before that was the 3.

Oh no I just realized the next generation will be called Microsoft 365 Xbox Copilot

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #352
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any new software developers entering the field from this point on will have to know how to use and be expected to use AI code-gen tools to get employment. Moving forward, eventually all developers use these tools routinely. There will be a point in the future where there is no one left working that has ever coded anything complex thing from scratch without AI tools. Therefore, all* code will have AI code-gen as all*…

So eventually, doesn't the KPI move from "more code" to "better code"? The pendulum will have to swing the other way eventually; seems like microsoft is just accelerating that process

> doesn't the KPI move from "more code" to "better code"?

I would love for this to be true. But another scenario that could play out is that this process accelerates software bloat that was already happening with human coded software. Notepad will be a 300GB executable in 2035.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by tylerchilds »

dangus wrote: post #292
bobsmooth wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recall actually sounds like it could be useful but there's a snowball's chance in hell that I would trust Microsoft to not spy on me.

I don’t plan on using the feature and I don’t plan on using Windows much longer in the first place, but I find that going beyond the ragebait headlines and looking at the actual offering and its privacy policy and security documentation makes it look a lot more reasonable. Microsoft is very explicit in detailing how the data stays on device and goes to great lengths to detail exactly how it works to keep data private…

Here are the settlements from Apple and Google regarding “how phones totally aren’t listening to you and selling the data to advertisers”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-voice-assistant-lawsuit-...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lopez-voice-assistant-payout-se...

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by bonesss »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #318
paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

I'm also using Gemini and it's the only option that consistently works for me so far. I'm using it in chat mode with copy&paste and it's pleasant to work with. Both Claude and ChatGPT were unbearable, not primarily because of lack of technical abilities but because of their conversational tone. Obviously, it's pointless to take things personally with LLMs but they were so passive-aggressive and sometimes maliciously…

I think you’re highlighting an aspect of agentic coding that’s undervalued: what to do once trust is breached… ?

With humans you can categorically say ‘this guy lies in his comments and copy pastes bullshit everywhere’ and treat them consistently from there out. An LLM is guessing at everything all the time. Sometimes it’s copying flawless next-level code from Hacker News readers, sometimes it’s sabotaging your build by making unit tests forever green. Eternal vigilance is the opposite of how I think of development.

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