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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by tamimio »

andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

The keyword here is monetization, it’s what ruined social media, among many other entertainment industries. If we somehow managed to ban monetization through social media or internet, you will notice how it will reset back to ol’ fun days.

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Post by pests »

bityard wrote: post #376
pests wrote: post #357

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You're in luck! They recently rolled out updated parental controls letting you block it. https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/updates-youtube-supervi... "YouTube has introduced enhanced parental controls allowing parents to manage or block YouTube Shorts for teen accounts. Parents can set daily time limits for Shorts ranging from zero to two hours, configure custom bedtimes, and set "take a break" reminders" (AI summ…

You can block shorts this way? Neat! Excuse me, I need to go set up a subaccount for my newly adopted fictional child.

Ha, didn't even realize the possibilities.

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Post by energy123 »

president_zippy wrote: post #380

Enforcement of that law is going to be a certifiable joke. My Chinese classmates back in undergrad in the early 2010s used to use a VPN to access their Facebook accounts when they went home for break. Like anyone else around here in their 30s, I didn't have much trouble bypassing "WebWasher" or its ilk in the 00s either. I have a better proposal to get kids off social media, hear me out: In order to make a teenager s…

This misunderstands the objectives of the law. Perfect enforcement is not the goal. Breaking the network effect for teens is the goal.

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Post by president_zippy »

energy123 wrote: post #383
president_zippy wrote: post #380

Enforcement of that law is going to be a certifiable joke. My Chinese classmates back in undergrad in the early 2010s used to use a VPN to access their Facebook accounts when they went home for break. Like anyone else around here in their 30s, I didn't have much trouble bypassing "WebWasher" or its ilk in the 00s either. I have a better proposal to get kids off social media, hear me out: In order to make a teenager s…

This misunderstands the objectives of the law. Perfect enforcement is not the goal. Breaking the network effect for teens is the goal.

I didn't misunderstand anything. Your little "network effect", as you have so pretentiously worded it assumes teenagers are only getting on social media for their classmates, not for all the other users on a social media site. You also assume a little government-made dumpster-tier firewall written by peons making $70k like "WebWasher" is going to stop them. It didn't stop me from opening up goatse, meatspin, or 2G1C, so your argument carries no water.

All they need is one classmate similar to most of us here on this site. Someone in their high school who will show them how to use a proxy or a VPN not for cred, not for reward, but just because "fuck it, why not?"

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Post by rchaud »

alisonatwork wrote: post #305
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

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Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

$1 is far too low to discourage abuse. Spammers and scammers will still make exponential returns. PR agencies are paid tens of thousands to craft narratives for their clients. With institutional actors the sky is the limit. Even just your average basement dwelling troll might consider it worth their while to pay a dollar for a sock puppet account.

Requiring a valid payment method before posting will take out 99.9% of spammers and trolls. Newspapers discovered this when they went behind paywalls. SomethingAwful discovered this 20 years ago when they required $10 to create an account.

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Post by miki123211 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #258
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

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Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

> give subreddit moderators a fighting chance Moderators are part of the problem really, there are a handful of moderators holding the reins over all the popular subreddits, and "smaller" (even big ones) subreddits suffer from the same problem. As an example, r/MistralAI, r/LocalLLaMA, r/ChatGPT, r/OpenAI and r/grok are all run by the same person. The only survivable places on reddit left are the subreddits with smal…

There are two problems in computer science, accepting payments and naming things.

Reddit's principal problem is that the first person to take r/foo is often a BDFL for foo for life, and no other subreddit about foo will ever be quite as recognizable. If we instead had subreddits with a numeric ID and a non-unique display name, that problem would be solved.

Payments would also solve the spam problem, but many users who have $1 can't easily get that $1 to Reddit, so that's not really an option either.

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Post by clusmore »

bilsbie wrote: post #95

Noble goal but it ends up being a defacto internet license. All ages need to show id to use sites and services.

I am an Australian Instagram user in my 30s. When setting up my profile a few years ago I set the birthday to some fake date near my real age. At no point, including when the ban went live, was I ever asked to prove my age through any means. Nobody I know has either (noting that everyone I've asked is an adult).

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Post by bananaflag »

sarchertech wrote: post #374
GeoAtreides wrote: post #310

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>Xenforo (which everybody uses now) allows liking posts and supports Instagram-style content feeds. On spacebattles you get infracted for chan-like (or instagram-like) behaviour. It's all about how strict moderation is. They do allow likes (but there's no algo)

Oh man spacebattles is still active? I haven’t been there regularly in 20 years.

There's also sufficientvelocity, its offshoot.

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Post by erichocean »

"Citizens should be free to make their own choices for themselves and their children, especially benign ones about how to socialize and who to socialize with."

It's interesting how few governments believe this. Your rulers know what's best for you, and it's not freedom.

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Post by barbazoo »

erichocean wrote: post #389

"Citizens should be free to make their own choices for themselves and their children, especially benign ones about how to socialize and who to socialize with." It's interesting how few governments believe this. Your rulers know what's best for you, and it's not freedom.

We regularly restrict choices of vulnerable people in our society. That’s why kids can’t drive, drink, smoke, etc.
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