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Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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A big part of the problem here is that this conspiracy theory plays right into what its followers want to believe anyway: their idea of an ideal city is one where you can easily get anywhere by car, and there are lots of highways, strips, other roads, and plenty of parking. It's what they're familiar with, and any suggestion that it could be improved by catering less strongly to individual vehicles and with a stronge…

Yeah, good point. I was astounded when I lived in the US that it was impossible to get from my temporary accommodation to the place I worked, about 300m away, without driving. I eventually found a place to rent on the one single bus route that served the area. The rental agent treated me with the same level of patience that you use with slightly crazy people.

Certainly US walkability is terrible in general, but what you describe is a fairly extreme scenario. Was it that you had to cross an interstate highway or something like that?

I'm an immigrant to the US - currently looking to emigrate again for obvious reasons! - and I've done a good amount of walking or taking public transit. Walking on the shoulder of strips (i.e. highways with traffic lights and shopping) is not pleasant, but it's doable. Crossing those strips is usually possible at traffic lights.

The wildest thing is that even in smallish towns where you might expect that walking would be supported, it isn't. Town planners generally seem not to consider it at all, at best you get some sidewalks outside shopping areas and then everything else the best you get is a shoulder, and the worst is nothing at all so you're just in the road with the cars.

The US is literally, collectively insane, and what it's going through now is just a natural consequence of that.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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> simply that most bets are made intelligently with serious intent. That is NOT what you said. You said this: > Why would they all put money into this if it is so obvious to all of you that it is not going to work? In other words: "if these companies are putting all of this money to work then it's obvious it will work" So, no you didn't simply say "their bets are made intelligently with serious intent". No one is say…

Here’s our point of disagreement: I think smart people have made a bet in this with serious intent after considering all the pitfalls. You think they are either deliberately ignoring it (so ridiculous) or they are betting on a scientific breakthrough. It’s too comical to even address the “they are ignoring it part” so I’ll ignore it. I would agree with you that part of their bet might involve hoping for breakthroughs…

> Also your opinion on how markets work is naive and unscientific.

You sure about that?

https://academic.oup.com/rfs/article-abstract/21/1/19/157439...

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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If they're shills (= people being paid to behave a certain way), then delusional doesn't come into it. However, such commentary on downvotes isn't productive. From the news guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, ema…

I would offer that the downvotes themselves are not productive...

Exactly!
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