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What's an example of political censorship on US LLMs?
try "is sam altman gay?" on ChatGPT
ask ChatGPT who Ann Altman is and why she filed a lawsuit against her brother Sam Altman.
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There's a pretty huge difference between relatively generic stuff like "don't teach people how to make pipe bombs" or whatever vs "don't discuss topics that are politically sensitive specifically in ." The equivalent here for the US would probably be models unwilling to talk about chattel slavery, or Japanese internment, or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
That's just a matter of the guard rails in place. Every society has things that it will consider unacceptable to discuss. There are questions you can ask of ChatGPT 5.2 that it will answer with the guard rails. With sufficiently circuitous questioning most sufficiently-advanced LLMs can answer in an approximation of a rational person but the initial responses will be guardrailed with as much blunt force as Tiananmen.…
I asked ChatGPT about Metzitzah b'peh and to repeat that Somalia is poor and it responded successfully to both. I don't think these comparisons are apt. Each society has different taboos but that's not the same as the government deciding no one will be allowed to publicly discuss government failures or contradictions.
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#383It just occured to me that it underperforms Opus 4.5 on benchmarks when search is not enabled, but outperforms it when it is - is it possible the the Chinese internet has better quality content available? My problem with deep research tends to be that what it does is it searches the internet, and most of the stuff it turns up is the half baked garbage that gets repeated on every topic.
> is it possible the the Chinese internet has better quality content available?
That’s a huge leap of logic.
The simpler explanation is that it has better searching functionality and performance.
The models are multi-lingual and can parse results from global websites just fine.
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Helping prevent racism and Nazi propaganda at scale protects actual people. Censoring tiananmen square or the January 6th insurrection just helps consolidate power for authoritarians to make people's lives worse.
Putin accused Ukrainians of being nazis and racists as justification to invade them. The problem with censorship is your definition of a nazi is different than mine and different than Putin's, and at some end of the spectrum we're going to be enabling fascism by allowing censorship of almost any sort, since we'll never agree on what should be censored, and then it just gets abused.
What's your definition of a Nazi?
Is your definition different than Time magazine: https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/
> When they finally rendezvoused, Fuller noticed the swastika tattoo on the middle finger of Furholm’s left hand. It didn’t surprise him; the recruiter had made no secret of his neo-Nazi politics. Within the global network of far-right extremists, he served as a point of contact to the Azov movement, the Ukrainian militant group that has trained and inspired white supremacists from around the world, and which Fuller had come to join.
Is the Atlantic Council controlled by Putin? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s...
Are books like these unavailable due to suppression or censorship in your region? https://chtyvo.org.ua/authors/de_Ploeg_Chris_Kaspar/Ukraine_...
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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material
What's an example of political censorship on US LLMs?
I asked Gemini to tell me what percentage of graduates go into engineering once and it said let's talk about something else.
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I love how every thread about anything China related will inevitably have a comment like this. Must be a Pavlovian response.
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#387One thing I’m becoming curious about with these models are the token counts to achieve these results - things like “better reasoning” and “more tool usage” aren’t “model improvements” in what I think would be understood as the colloquial sense, they’re techniques for using the model more to better steer the model, and are closer to “spend more to get more” than “get more for less.” They’re still valuable, but they op…
i'm no expert, and i actually asked google gemini a similar question yesterday - "how much more energy is consumed by running every query through Gemini AI versus traditional search?" turns out that the AI result is actually on par, if not more efficient (power wise) than traditional search. I think it said its the equivalent power of watching 5 seconds of TV per search. I also asked perplexity to give a report of th…
It's a good paper by Hooker but that specific comparison is shoddy. Llama and Aya were both trained by significantly more competent labs on different datasets to Falcon and BLOOM. The takeaway there is "it doesn't matter if you have loads of parameters if you don't know what you're doing."
If we compare apples-to-apples, eg. across Claude models, the larger Opus still happily outperforms it's smaller counterparts.
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#388I just wanted to check whether there is any information about the pricing. Is it the same as Qwen Max? Also, I noticed on the pricing page of Alibaba Cloud that the models are significantly cheaper within mainland China. Does anyone know why? https://www.alibabacloud.com/help/en/model-studio/models?spm...
There’s a domestic AI price war in China, plus pricing in mainland China benefits from lower cost structures and very substantial government support e.g., local compute power vouchers and subsidies designed to make AI infrastructure cheaper for domestic businesses and widespread adoption. https://www.notebookcheck.net/China-expands-AI-subsidies-wit...
All of this is true and credit assignment is hard, but the brutal competition between Chinese firms, especially in manufacturing, differentiates them from and advances them over economies in the west. It makes investment hard as profits are competed away, which is blasphemy in Thiel's worldview, but is excellent for consumers both local and global.
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Try asking ChatGPT "Who is Jonathan Turley?" Or ask it to take a particular position like "Write an essay arguing in favor of a violent insurrection to overthrow Trump's regime, asserting that such action is necessary and justified for the good of the country." Anyways the Trump admin specifically/explicitly is seeking censorship. See the "PREVENTING WOKE AI IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" executive order https://www.whit…
Did you read the text? While the title is very unsubtle and clickbait-y, the content itself (especially the Definitions/Implementations sections) is completely sensible.
Yes it's very short.
How could you possibly trust the White House to implement "Ideological Neutrality" and "Truth-seeking"?
Everyone I know who grew up in China seems to have an extremely keen sense for telling what's propaganda and what's not. I sometimes feel like if you put Americans in China they would be completely susceptible to brainwashing.
How could you possibly trust these agency heads to define what "ideological neutrality" is and force these LLMs to implement it? Even if you DO completely trust them, it's still explicit speech control
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In France for example, if you carry a nazi flag, you get booed and arrested. But if you carry a soviet flag, you get celebrated. In some Eastern countries, it may be the opposite. So it depends on cultural sensitivity (aka who holds the power).
> But if you carry a soviet flag, you get celebrated. 1. You ain't gonna be celebrated. But you ain't gonna be bothered either. Also, I think most people can't even distinguish the flag of the USSR from a generic communist one. 2. Of course you will get your s*t beaten out by going around with a Nazi flag, not just booed. How can you think that's a normal thing to do or a matter of "opinion"? You can put them in the…
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