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Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Switch off yours and see how well it works for you.

I do, often, and it works well. You should try it.

It sucks when you have to keep in contact with your family and your acquaintances during a, let's say, developing situation, and the government decides to shut it down.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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So am I. The number of people repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide Or is it all made up? Did Israeli official say on TV they want to starve Gaza, or not?

It is the biggest con since Tesla FSD. Countless pictures from the civil war in Syria are passed off as if they were from Gaza. Countless staged photos and videos. Countless articles repeating Hamas claims with pictures whose captions have nothing to do with what's actually in the picture. Every stupid thing someone said gets butchered to fit Hamas narrative. Your ridiculous Wikipedia article is no different, including that quote some "Israeli official" said a day or two after the October 7 attacks. Not only was he referring to Hamas, it didn't even happen. The amount of food that entered the Gaza Strip during the war is gargantuan[1].

Don't get me wrong, people are definitely suffering, but when there are so many lies, it's hard to tell what's true, and when you spend your entire life in bomb shelters and see your friends and family get murdered, it's even harder to care.

Look at the UN. You've got that Francesca Albanese woman, who's supposed to be an "expert on human rights". Even she spread the obvious lie that "Israel killed more journalists in Gaza than both world wars combined", a ludicrous claim anybody with half a brain knows is ludicrous. Nobody knows how many journalists died in the two world wars (nobody knows how many died in Gaza while we're at it), and even her source for that claim says so ("No one knows how many reporters have been killed doing their jobs... Available counts are fragmentary and deaths of non-Western journalists, especially prior to the 1990s, are largely undocumented.").

But she spread the lie anyway, and the media helped her spread it more. Why? Why would an intelligent UN official spread such a lie? Why was the Wikipedia article about Zionism edited to say that "Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible", with the only "sources" cited for that insane, false claim being anti-Israel texts from the past decade only?

Not everything about the war is a lie, but much of it is.

[1] https://gaza-aid-data.gov.il/mainhome/

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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I do, often, and it works well. You should try it.

It sucks when you have to keep in contact with your family and your acquaintances during a, let's say, developing situation, and the government decides to shut it down.

Well, a common theme here is don't rely on third parties for services.

So, maybe, if it ever happens to you, have a backup in case of such emergencies.

I guess, next will be; but what if...and that's for you to fugure out.

Heck, a meteor might hit, and you won't be able to blame the government for your lack of backup.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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My GF and I rarely discuss news or politics, but she's a frequent NPR listener who gets most of her (ahem) "news" from there and Reddit. So the other night something came up about Israel and she casually said "well, but everyone hates Israel now". In that context, I said what do they think about the masses of unarmed people shot in the streets of Tehran. So imagine my total surprise when she said she had no idea ther…

It's because Qatar, Russia and China launched a multi billion dollar propaganda campaign targeting Israel. Israel is so divisive it's the perfect way to divide a population.

Lots of worse things have happened in the past two years (Sudan, Nigeria, and now Iran). No Jews no news.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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post #381

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It sucks when you have to keep in contact with your family and your acquaintances during a, let's say, developing situation, and the government decides to shut it down.

Well, a common theme here is don't rely on third parties for services. So, maybe, if it ever happens to you, have a backup in case of such emergencies. I guess, next will be; but what if...and that's for you to fugure out. Heck, a meteor might hit, and you won't be able to blame the government for your lack of backup.

Sure, I'll use psychic powers then /s

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide Or is it all made up? Did Israeli official say on TV they want to starve Gaza, or not?

It is the biggest con since Tesla FSD. Countless pictures from the civil war in Syria are passed off as if they were from Gaza. Countless staged photos and videos. Countless articles repeating Hamas claims with pictures whose captions have nothing to do with what's actually in the picture. Every stupid thing someone said gets butchered to fit Hamas narrative. Your ridiculous Wikipedia article is no different, includi…

Look, Israel didn't let in journalists claiming it's for their safety, and there are repressions against Albanese as well as the Chief of the ICC. If the situation was so clear, the above would not happen.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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I've been moderately happy this morning to find out I can open hackernews. Also Gmail is working. After attempting to get bridges using email and configuring an dozen of them I got 100% connection but then it disconnected without me being able to connect to anything. I would assume some sort of tunneling must be possible cause the services available are varied and not limited to a few websites (We only had access to…

Is there anything people outside Iran can spin up in order to get more routes out?

https://reticulum.network/ with LoRa-based directional antennas pointed toward Iran near the border?

Don't expect sending anything massive such as video recording, but should be enough for text-based communications.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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You are misunderstanding everything: 1. The ISP ask a judge to ban some IPs, and the judge gives them the permission to do so, because they asked. A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they don't. But the ISP must request permission to ban, that es the reason the ban is limited to some ISP. 2. It does not come from the judges, it comes from the ISP that request to do it. Some ISP don't care about football, so the…

I assume you can read Spanish, I don't think the link to the court order leaves any room for interpretation. LIGA NACIONAL DE FÚTBOL PROFESIONAL y TELEFÓNICA AUDIOVISUAL DIGITAL S.L.U filed the lawsuit against Vodafone España S.A.U, Vodafone ONO S.A.U, MASORANGE Orange Espagne S.A.U, DIGI SPAIN TELECOM S.L.U, TELEFÓNICA ESPAÑA S.A.U and TELEFÓNICA MÓVILES ESPAÑA S.A.U. > A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they…

Last time I answer you, because at this point you are acting in bad faith:

Telefónica Audiovisual Digital SLU is suing, among others, TELEFÓNICA ESPAÑA S.A.U and TELEFÓNICA MÓVILES ESPAÑA S.A.U.. What do you think is going on there? Come on, you don't even have to be that smart: they are suing themselves to get a judge order that allows them to block the IPs. In fact, some of them are eagerly waiting for the judge permission to click the ban button the next second.

> You are getting this wrong. The judge isn't acting on their on initiative here, but because La Liga (together with Movistar+) sued the biggest ISPs in Spain.

The nerve you have. This is exactly what I was saying from the beginning: the ban is not something that comes from the state or the government. The ban is something that the ISPs are asking for, they would love to be able to do it legally without a judge intervention, but they need to get the OK from a jugde. In fact, Movistar/Telefonica never acknowleged the ban and claim technical difficulties, in fear of losing clients to ISPs that are not so aggresive banning the IPs.

The discussion here was if there are parallelisms between the Iran Internet blackout (state initiated and enforced) and Spain banning some Internet IPs during football matches due to piracy (private companies initiating and enforcing on their users), because some of you were painting Spain as some kind of 1984 state.

Your last part is FUD, and a slippery slope fallacy. There are ways to refuse to comply, for example not banning the IPs and then claiming technical difficulties to do so. In fact, that was what were doing all the ISPs that were requested at first to ban Cloudflare IPs: delay the ban for a couple of hours, the football match ended, and they did nothing claiming it was impossible to comply. No one was locked, forced to comply or summarily (you are not using this word correctly, because it means "without trial") executed. Week after week, they are not issuing the IP banning, and they still safe and sound.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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It's not even in the same ballpark. 0.03% of Iranians vs 3% of Gazans. I think we can all agree that Iran shouldn't be massacring its own nationals even if as the government claims they are foreign-influenced, but don't use this as a platform to push an agenda that harms even your own cause.

Pallyweid [fake israelophobic buzzwords: apartheidgenocide] exposed. Gaza war with genocidal [Hamas Charter, declaration and methods] "Palestine" Gaza regime. We all know Hamas/PIJ death cult methods (search 'dead baby strategy'. In fact, it was already by Egyptian born Arafat - Hitler's al-Husseini-mufti's family who began the 'human shields' tactics of ITS OWN PEOPLE already in early '80s in Lebanon) - to maximize casualties of both sides. Almost all who propagated "genocide" already paddled the "apartheid" slur years earlier. BTW The A slurs began by Ahmad Shukeiri in UN on 10.17.61, who rationalized the Holocaust months after WW2 [B'nai B'rith 7.12.46] and on 11.30.62 had promoted in UN Neonazi gang Tacuara, who guarded Eichmann and Mengele. Then you have UNCHR by Pillay Kothari "Jewish control" 2022 trope, or UN's "rappartour" Francesca Albanese infamous - dubbed modern 'Goebbeles', her antisemitic tweets from 2014 remembered; or the mocked $30 membership IAGS "experts" countered [T.O.I, 9.9.25] by 537 real experts denying the "genocide" lie. So are objecting major countries who are neither socialist or Muslim. All the propaganda Goliath machine nor hecklers who pressure pols. to utter the G word, don't change facts. Nor the 32 Wikipedia editors organized gang [see ADL, 3.18.25].

Numbers: even if one accepts the 60,000+ figure, but since over 25,000 Terrorists have been eliminated on Gaza, the combatants-to-none ratio is rather impressive. And yes, Hamas women are usually assistants... all that is in the course of 2 years.

VS Islamic Republic of Iran massacring some 60,000 in a few days.

[Journalist].Shirin Sadeghi @ShirinSadeghi Jan 22, 2026: Thread on the scale of death, injury and devastation in Iran right now. This Dr conservatively estimates 60,000 killed, 360,000 injured and at least 1 million directly affected.

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Iran may have killed over 30,000 protesters in two days: Report. By Brady Knox. Washington Examiner. January 25, 2026. — Over two weeks, the Rapid Support Forces murdered thousands of civilians, with one estimate putting the kill count at over 60,000.

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CBN News @CBNNews: The Middle East is watching to see if the U.S. will strike the Iranian regime. As further reports of the violence inside Iran come in, the number of those killed by the regime is staggering.

Global terrorism expert Dr. Amir Hamidi said, "A physician-linked medical network has released what is described as a hospital-registered death toll of 40,274, emphasizing this does not cover all facilities and includes victims who never reached hospitals. Based on those gaps, the estimated toll may exceed 60,000. This is not crowd control. This is mass killing, disappearing chemical attacks, and black cloth to hide the evidence. This is a nationwide uprising met with state terror. And it fits the pattern of crime against humanity.”

It's a massacre on a scale that makes it one of the world's deadliest in a generation. The International Center for Human Rights adds that more than 350,000 have been injured and more than 10,000 blinded. [Saman Rasoulpour @SamRasoulpour Editor in Chief | Co-founder, Pulse Media | Covering Iran: news & analysis]

Saman Rasoulpour @SamRasoulpour: In the early days of Iran’s nationwide internet shutdown, at least 30,000 to 60,000 people were killed on the streets. During this period, Mohammad Marandi was among a small, handpicked group of regime-approved individuals inside Iran who retained internet access , joining international media via live video from the state broadcaster Press TV’s studio in Tehran, while helping justify the regime’s narrative as the killings unfolded. Jan 28, 2026.

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Turlockers continue to show support for Iranian protesters. Joe Cortez, Turlock Journal, Jan 28, 2026 — ... protesters in Turlock, with friends and family still in Iran, paint a far more harrowing picture. “When I spoke to my friend (Saturday), he told me that it’s over 60,000 that have been killed,” said Turlock’s Raymon Galavan, who came to the U.S. from Iran in 2006. “People are protesting for freedom with nothing in their hands, and they’re being killed with (military-grade) bullets. And the people who are in hospitals, they take them out and they kill them on the street, and bury them in mass graves. This is the reality. This is not out of a movie.”.. “What they’re telling me right now is that there are absolutely two or three families in each street, and in each alley, that have had someone killed,” said Farhad. “The estimated number of killed in two nights is more than 40,000. Whoever says different … forget about it. It’s a massacre.” Robert David, who co-organized the local protest with Charles Sharlou, added to those disturbing totals. “The numbers we’re getting are more than 800,000 injured and over 300,000 who have been arrested by the regime,” said David, also a native of Tehran. “There is no freedom in Iran. Whatever the regime wants, they do in the name of Islam, and everybody is expected to follow.”

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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How there is a marriage of convenience between western progressivism and ultra-conservative theocracy is still confusing and mysterious to me.

You only have to look at Iran's history to see what this eventually leads to. The left loves Islamists even though Islamists are against everything the left stands for (women's rights, freedom of press, religion, sexuality, etc). I think Qatar's influence ($20B+ spent on US education) is the biggest factor here.

I agree with you about Qatari influence. You bring up Iran's history. In the 1979 revolution, Marxists were the leading exponents in Iran, seconded by the theocrats. The Ayatollah talked a good game about reconciliation from France, until he came back and wiped the Socialists out in short order. [If you haven't read Among the Believers by VS Naipaul, check it out - it's one of the most engaging books I've ever read].

So somehow the Iranian socialists failed to see that Khomeini was a reactionary even worse than the Shah, until it was too late. So this alignment is not new, but it's still completely mind-boggling. For instance: Every progressive leftist I know in the US hates the church they grew up in, hates Christianity, hates religion. I'm an atheist myself, so I don't care about that. But then they can somehow idolize Islamic theocratic regimes that are far more totalitarian than even the rigid culture they grew up in. Why that? Ignorance, post-colonial guilt, some racist idea that brown people don't have the same thoughts and agency to rebel against bad ideas? Yeah, Qatari money in the universities is part of it, but this has been going on longer than that.

Here's a theory: They're what Hannah Arendt called, in Origins of Totalitarianism, "superfluous men", outcasts of the educated elite who are attracted to any utopian belief, no matter how murderous. The more murderous the better, actually. Because they have an unearned dissatisfaction and an unearned sense of grievance, coupled with a righteous sense of anger about things they know very little about.

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