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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by lifetimerubyist »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #111
lifetimerubyist wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry That is exactly what they did. https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicl... > The tariffs follow a May announcement by U.S. President Joe Biden of 100 per cent tariffs on Chinese-made EVs. > Trudeau said on Sunday night that he had discussed China and other national geopolitical issues with U.S. national security…

Nothing to do with “unfair, non-market policies and practices […] and China’s intentional, state-directed policy of overcapacity and lack of rigorous labour and environmental standards”? I suppose that doesn’t even register anymore to the average selectively outraged parochial Canadian. [0] https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2024/08/can...

Using the government propaganda press release is certainly a choice.

China has been engaging in "unfair, non-market policies and practices and intentional, state-directed policy of overcapacity and lack of rigorous labour and environmental standards" for decades, but Canada only changed their minds when Biden told them to.

"You know, there’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest…we need to start investing in solar" -- Justin Trudeau

Yeah, I'm sure he did it because he gives a fsck about human rights and fair markets.

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Post by sieabahlpark »

quentindanjou wrote: post #330
TheScaryOne wrote: post #295

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The actual reason was lobbying from US companies that were completely losing the competition because of the much lower price for the same or higher quality . But of course, we can try to come up with stories that don't hurt the patriotism ego.

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by Retric »

kps wrote: post #375
sebastiennight wrote: post #160

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If the average car on the road is 10.5 years old, and you assume a flat demand, it is consistent with the lifespan of all cars being exactly 21 years. (if you look at a random sampling of 100 cars, 5 will be from this year, 5 from 2025, and so on until you've counted the 5 cars from 2005 ; the average age will be 10.5 years) If you assume that there are more cars sold every year (due to demographics: way more humans…

It's poorly worded, but the rest of the article implies that's average lifespan , not average age . “The average car lifespan now is closer to 322,000 kilometres, which works out to around 10 to 12 years for most drivers.” “While the average vehicle in Canada may be designed to last around a decade, there are several factors, some of which are within your control and some of which are not, that can impact how long yo…

The average Canadian drives 15,200km / year is also from that same article you linked.

322,000 km / 15,200 = 21.2 years. Assuming nobody has multiple cars.

From that link: Here's a breakdown of the average annual kilometres driven in some provinces:

Ontario: 16,000 km Alberta: 15,200 km British Columbia: 13,100 km

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by sieabahlpark »

ActorNightly wrote: post #262
pjc50 wrote: post #234

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

>The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada. The thing about China is that they are basically hard on the up slope of their advancement as a society/economy/nation, just like US was post ww2. US on the other hand, has flatlined to the point where we think stuff like trans athletes in sports are a drastic enough reason to elect a president who is a c…

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Post by barbazoo »

justonceokay wrote: post #34
Jeff_Brown wrote: post #17

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In a country with 42 million inhabitants this doesn't seem like a big change even for canada, let alone for the global economy.

It’s a complete sea change. I feel Canada only set tariffs on cars out of some deference to the US auto industry. I don’t want to use slippery slope thinking, but this to me smells like rolling out a Canadian auto market that is not dependent on the US. For the average family, being able to spend significantly less on a car is a big deal.

It was about the mess around Huawei exec if I recall correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzh...

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Post by Izikiel43 »

mgh95 wrote: post #355
boringg wrote: post #291

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There is some small amount partisan support but not public support, massive difference. It might cost them the next election. They aren't republican voters - there is sizable difference between the Canadian right and the US right. I think many Americans make this mistake (and Canadians too) - the republican positions on many things aren't that tenable to center of right (Canadian spectrum). Also - There aren't many m…

> Also - There aren't many more things that are more toxic in Canada politics than Trump and Annexation. He single handedly handed the Federal election to the Liberals - it was the Conservatives who were going to win until he but his thumb on the scale. Watching these discussions from the outside are statistics like four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of asset…

Canada is a beautiful country, but it's super expensive and salaries are low.

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Post by guywithahat »

This feels like a poor long-term play for a short term political win. Canada has a robust automotive supply industry to US auto manufacturers, and this industry could be in long-term risk in an attempt to hurt relations with freer, traditionally more conservative nations. It’s not a shock but it is always disappointing to see major political decisions made for the benefit of the next election cycle.

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Post by barbazoo »

markvdb wrote: post #274

The Mercosur-EU trade deal, the India-EU trade deal and this China-Canada trade deal. A pattern perhaps? A frantic search for reliable trade partnerships, or just random noise?

Mercosur-EU trade deal was agreed 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU%E2%80%93Mercosur_Associatio...

India-EU have deepened ties since long ago too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93European_Union_r...

Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by collinmcnulty »

golem14 wrote: post #237
adamiscool8 wrote: post #144

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The offset is not positive when you factor in the externalities that go into escalating Chinese EV production.

I would love to see a thorough, agreed upon study comparing ICEs and EVs. If you have hard data (say, from a reputable journal, not just the news), please post.

https://theicct.org/publication/electric-cars-life-cycle-ana...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09596... (paywall)

https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/no-doubt-abo... is a writeup of https://www.bnef.com/insights/33557 which is paywalled.

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