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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #237
ahazred8ta wrote: post #106

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The palantirs were made by the elf lord prince Fëanor of Valinor, one of the good guys. The one we see in the film was given to the kings of Gondor and then pilfered by Saruman. (elvish palan 'far', tir 'watch over')

palantíri * (sorry, couldn't resist) that it takes following the... (charitably) uncommon view that Fëanor was a "good guy" in spite of being a psychopathic thieving mass murderer to excuse the actions of Palantir (the company) should be an indicator that they're Bad, Actually.

> that it takes following the... (charitably) uncommon view that Fëanor was a "good guy" in spite of being a psychopathic thieving mass murderer to excuse the actions of Palantir (the company) should be an indicator that they're Bad, Actually.

While I agree with your assessment of Fëanor I don't think anything in Tolkien's texts indicate that there were nefarious intents for palantiri creation.

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Post by k_g_b_ »

immibis wrote: post #175
Y-bar wrote: post #80

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Producing Cyclon B is a doing a neutral thing apparently? So is building a system cataloguing all Jews and socialists in Berlin also a neutral thing? The officer ordering the legal building of large ovens and carpenter doing the bidding are not guilty? The soldier following the rules written by law that he should coral the ”visitors” and ”workers” is doing no good or bad thing because he has instructions and is not t…

Germany has a system today cataloguing all the Jews in Berlin (the address registration includes your religion for the purpose of charging church tax), and everyone I've mentioned this to seems to feel it's neutral.

Germany in its constitutional law has protections against that data being used for any other purpose or government agencies. Does that help if a new antisemitic party would take over? Not likely for long, but hopefully long enough for other constitutional protections (like banning the party), anti-fascists or people working there themselves to intervene. On the other hand folks like the CCC or other data protection NGOs have been trying to teach politicians data minimalism for a while, but in this particular case religious conservatives don't want the state to get out of collecting church tax and the churches don't want the state to get out of it. In particular, Jewish communities could request the state not to collect taxes, tell their members to not enter that data into the tax forms and collected tithes/donations/similar on their own.

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

palmotea wrote: post #251
idle_zealot wrote: post #206

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> Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it. And I don't think I can enumerate the ways in which an occupied house are different from a country and unsuitable for the metaphor you're trying.

> Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it. What are you going to do, win elections by lecturing everyone about how they're wrong and they need to think just like you? People thought the Biden administration's immigration policy was too lax, and that was a major contributing cause to the second Trump term. Deporting people who…

> Deporting people who are in the country illegally is a no brainer. If you don't want that, get the law changed. Until then, it's not wrong to deport them.

Enjoy this little cognitive dissonance:

You could also change the law make them legals eg. after X years of work, no criminal record and citizenship tests.

This would completely disable the current ICE gestapo and would have prevent soo much suffering. But i can imagine what you must be thinking now: But they came here illegally, this is harm to our society enough.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

drdaeman wrote: post #366
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #311

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Isn’t the purpose of all thought experiments to define something that is relevant to what you’re trying to philosophize about? “Fitting a narrative” is a thought-terminating cliché. If we agree that there exists at least one thing theoretically whose invention would be unequivocally evil - without a morsel of moral justification, then surely there exists a moral spectrum on which all inventions lie, and the inventors…

> If we agree that there exists at least one thing theoretically whose invention would be unequivocally evil My issue is that your use of the phrase "exists ... theoretically" quietly steps across the boundary between ideal (where anything is possible), and real (where only some things are possible). In other words, I think that Torment Nexus doesn't exist. Only its idea does, and I don't see how that's possibly suff…

It’s really not that difficult to come up with a Torment Nexus that, given enough money, could be built today. I’m not sure why you’re convinced it could not exist. Just browse a bunch of Wikipedia articles about torture and ethnic cleansing and general injustice and connect some dots.

Another point of the Torment Nexus is that it’s dark humor that science fiction writers especially will ideate something in their writing, and spend great lengths discussing the inevitable harm it unleashes, only to wait a few years and watch as someone actually builds the thing they basically warned everyone about. It’s a placeholder for “thing so bad that I don’t actually want to describe it lest some psychopath actually builds it.”

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Post by doktor2un »

Hikikomori wrote: post #19
doktor2un wrote: post #16

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I tell my family to go out and be productive citizens. Let’s see where they all are in a bunch of years.

Sign up for ice and kill some libs?

Move out of mommas basement you dolt

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Post by xiphias2 »

hairofadog wrote: post #297
xiphias2 wrote: post #292

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It's because there is extremism both on the left and right: the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back, and the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants. Both of them are right: unless there's a civil war or moderate president (which probably needs ranked choice voting) the most probable scenario is that one of the 2…

> the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back It would probably help if Trump didn't fantasize about this publicly all the time > the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants The left will "take it" by being elected, if they are in fact elected. That's the extremist threat the right is worried about? What does "keep it…

It's quite simple, some states want to allow voting without identity cards that prove that they are citizens of the country.

I don't know of any other country that would allow it, but I know other countries where people in power used other ,,tricks'' to increase the chance of being reelected

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Post by xiphias2 »

therobots927 wrote: post #294
xiphias2 wrote: post #292

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It's because there is extremism both on the left and right: the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back, and the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants. Both of them are right: unless there's a civil war or moderate president (which probably needs ranked choice voting) the most probable scenario is that one of the 2…

Yeah, remember when Biden deployed a personal army on red states and threatened to cancel the election? What world do you live in where you would expect equally extreme behavior from a democrat president?

He didn't have to if he could just get Trump be thrown out of social media.

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Post by hairofadog »

xiphias2 wrote: post #388
hairofadog wrote: post #297

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> the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back It would probably help if Trump didn't fantasize about this publicly all the time > the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants The left will "take it" by being elected, if they are in fact elected. That's the extremist threat the right is worried about? What does "keep it…

It's quite simple, some states want to allow voting without identity cards that prove that they are citizens of the country. I don't know of any other country that would allow it, but I know other countries where people in power used other ,,tricks'' to increase the chance of being reelected

There's no evidence of noncitizens voting in meaningful numbers, but I'm aware that's a popular right-wing talking point.
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