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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Atlas26 »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #173
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

If you want an OS to simply do stuff Linux is now clearly superior. However, I found Omarchy to be whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is. It brings all the complications of a tiling WM, so you still have to learn a complicated new way of using your system, but at the same time it is extremely opinionated so instead of ending with a tailored custom tiling WM that suits your needs at the end of the learning curve, y…

> it is extremely opinionated so instead of ending with a tailored custom tiling WM that suits your needs at the end of the learning curve, you end up with a tiling WM that is suited for someone else’s needs.

DHH built it, and I find it absolutely hilarious that his Linux distro is literally his insufferable personality personified in Linux form

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by renegade-otter »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

I installed Mint on my Alienware and uninstalled Steam on the Windows partition. My tolerance for this BS is pretty high (and I just don't want to spend time on this), but it broke even my patience.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by renegade-otter »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

I am sure Microsoft, with its bags of money, can afford good C++ developers.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by daemin »

api wrote: post #99
secondcoming wrote: post #97

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That makes little sense, notepad.exe already exists. The only development required on it would be to add AI shit to it. They could just leave it alone.

That means you have to work on the original code, and modern entry-mid level devs can't do that. It's probably in C++. Your expensive senior and staff level devs are on more important projects. Make it a web app and your cheap entry level grads can do it.

The previous version would have been written in C rather than C++ since as someone else has said it's a very basic Windows application, more of a wrapper around the edit control than anything more complicated.

These days it would have to be written in some other language that has those Windows Runtime bindings available for it. So could be C++ but if I were to guess I'd say it's written in Typescript and compiled to a native or .Net binary.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by daemin »

renegade-otter wrote: post #383
api wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

I am sure Microsoft, with its bags of money, can afford good C++ developers.

The question is then do good C++ developers want to go work at Microsoft? With its mandatory use of AI and desire to rewrite everything in Rust?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by seec »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #148
steve1977 wrote: post #138

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Well, that's true. It's an interesting point actually. Windows certainly wins in terms of binary compatibility. I was thinking more about the developer perspective, i.e. churn in terms of frameworks. Yes, PowerPC is gone. Intel will be gone soon. But both the transitions from PowerPC to Intel as well as from Intel to ARM were pretty straightforward for developers if you were using Cocoa and not doing any assembly stu…

Maybe I am a bit jaded, but with Apple's yearly OS release cycle — and breaking things nearly every time — I grew sick and tired of software I spent good money or relied on suddenly not working anymore. Imagine taking your car in for an oil change annually and the radio stopped working when you got it back. It's incompatible with the new oil, they say. You'd be furious. With the Windows of yore this wasn't so much of…

I share your sentiment very strongly.

Apple's change for the sake of change is extremely annoying, especially since the changes have been regressions lately. They always push their commercial interest at the cost of their users, refusing to maintain stuff properly to save money.

At some point I had to change a Mac because the GPU wasn't compatible with some apps after they pushed their Metal framework. But it was working just fine for me, and I didn't really need to change it at this moment; Apple just decided so.

And if you use their software on different hardware and make the mistake of upgrading just one, it is very likely that you will have to upgrade the other because the newer software version won't be compatible with the older hardware (had the problem with Notes/Reminders database needing an OS upgrade to be able to sync).

Microsoft is all over the place, but at least it is very likely that you can get away with changing your hardware only once every 10 years if you buy high-end stuff.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by seec »

ewoodrich wrote: post #204
subjectsigma wrote: post #112

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One would think multi-monitor support is the hardest thing in the universe to solve. My Linux desktop has very bad multi-monitor support, but hey, it's Linux. My $2K Macbook Pro has, somehow, even worse multi-monitor support, so bad that sometimes the productivity of an external display feels not worth the hassle of plugging it in and wrestling with it. Besides that no problems with MacOS, it feels snappy to me and O…

The first time I’ve had my multi-monitor setup(s) “just work” on Linux is recently installing Fedora 43 on my Ideapad. (After becoming exhausted trying to tweak Linux Mint to get tolerable sizing across all the screens). Wayland per-monitor fractional scaling is delightful and after a couple gsettings tweaks restoring minimize/bottom dock I’ve been loving the polish and snappiness of Gnome. I also had to switch the W…

Apple took a shortcut for DPI scaling implementation because they only care about selling their own hardware. If you use anything else, it's a pain in the ass. This is a big problem of today's Apple, because they can't manage to release competitively priced hardware in some categories.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by novaleaf »

Rohansi wrote: post #370
novaleaf wrote: post #366

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if you are searching for something for the first time (or after caching invalidates), it seems like it prioritizes search sources that have already completed. on my computer, that means web-search almost always completes first. So most of the time if I type in something "new" and don't wait, it'll bring up Bing. Sometimes it looks like "downloads folder" file search completes before Installed app search completes, be…

I just tried a search for "downloads" and the first result was "Downloads folder privacy settings". I never search for that so it wasn't cached. I even pasted in the query to give it less time to search before pressing enter. I don't think I've changed any settings for search. Everything is still enabled. There's over 250,000 items in the search index so I haven't removed indexed locations. My computer is pretty much…

pretty weird, i have a few moderately high-end pc's and cheap laptops and they all have the same issues. Maybe me disabling a bunch of telemetry stuff screws up the caching.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Rohansi »

novaleaf wrote: post #388
Rohansi wrote: post #370

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I just tried a search for "downloads" and the first result was "Downloads folder privacy settings". I never search for that so it wasn't cached. I even pasted in the query to give it less time to search before pressing enter. I don't think I've changed any settings for search. Everything is still enabled. There's over 250,000 items in the search index so I haven't removed indexed locations. My computer is pretty much…

pretty weird, i have a few moderately high-end pc's and cheap laptops and they all have the same issues. Maybe me disabling a bunch of telemetry stuff screws up the caching.

I don't think caching makes the difference for me. I never search for "downloads" so it shouldn't be cached. Calculator probably was cached.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by laughing_man »

rationalist wrote: post #332
inquirerGeneral wrote: post #316

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I have yet to this day and Windows 10 or 11 ever to see an advertisement like people talk about.

It's more like shortcuts to install things like Candy Crush. And I've seen that.

For awhile I was getting a lot of system notifications advertising the latest version of CoD.
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