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Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by dkdcio »

boh wrote: post #370
altmanaltman wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves but Claude Code cannot run without Claude models? What do you mean?

Relative to their competitors who also have comparable models, Anthropic's design choices in effectively managing context with a very well thought out and coherent design, makes them stand out.

(i.e. competitors can still use Claude models but haven’t achieved the same DevEx as CC so far, at least in my opinion and many others)

also while I was initially on the “they should open source” boat, and I’m happy Codex CLI did, there are a ton of benefits to keeping to closed source. just look at how much spam and dumb community drama OpenAI employees now have to deal with on GitHub. I increasingly think it’s a smart moved to keep it closed source and iterate without as direct community involvement on the codebase for now

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by schiem »

muppetman wrote: post #148

I feel like I'm the only person on this site that doesn't use AI for coding. I guess there's probably a lot of other people that haven't commented on this story who don't use it either. But when I read about how much hype and all that sort of stuff there is in the AI industry, and then I see the amount of posts and commentary and deep technical discussion about how this feature has affected people, I'm not so sure. E…

I don't use it at all for a variety of reasons, but I rarely bother to get into discussions on HackerNews.

Looking at how new it is, and how quickly things are changing, it seems likely that I could adopt it into my workflow in a month or two if it turns out that that's necessary.

On the other hand, I've spent the last 2 decades building skills as a developer. I'm far more worried that becoming a glorified code reviewer will atrophy those skills than I am about falling behind. Maybe it will turn out that those skills are now obsolete, but that feels unlikely to me.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by dboon »

slekker wrote: post #202
dboon wrote: post #15

This is an unusual L for Anthropic. The unfortunate truth is that the engineering in opencode is so far ahead of Claude Code. Obviously, CC is a great tool, but that's more about the magic of the model than the engineering of the CLI. The opencode team[^1][^2] built an entire custom TUI backend that supports a good subset of HTML/CSS and the TypeScript ecosystem (i.e. not tied to Opencode, a generic TUI renderer). Th…

How much do you use AI in your day? Are you a heavy user? Asking because your comment has a lot of "LLM mannerism"

No, it doesn’t.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by snackdex »

dfabulich wrote: post #266
moltar wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To extend your all you can eat analogy. It’s similar to how all you can eat restaurants allow you to eat all you can within the bounds of the restaurant, but you aren’t allowed to bring the food out with you.

Not really. At a buffet restaurant, if you could take the food out with you, you'd takeaway more food than you can eat at one sitting. OpenCode users and Claud Code™ CLI users use tokens at approximately the same rate. This is more like an all-you-can-eat restaurant requiring you to eat with their flimsy plastic forks, forbidding you to bring your own utensils.

yes with the whole goal to make the utensils better

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by kburman »

It’s the standard enshittification lifecycle: subsidize usage to get adoption, then lock down the API to force users into a controlled environment where you can squeeze them.

Like Reddit, they realized they can't show ads (or control the user journey) if everyone is using a third-party client. The $200 subscription isn't a pricing tier. It's a customer acquisition cost for their proprietary platform. Third-party clients defeat that purpose.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by oidar »

sho wrote: post #292
wooger wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to understand what Anthropic are getting from forcing more people to use Claude Code vs any other tools via the API. Why do they care? Do they somehow get better analytics or do they dream that there's a magical lock-in effect... from a buggy CLI?

I suspect that they lose control over the cheaper models CC can choose for you for eg. file summaries or web fetch. Indeed, they lose web fetch and whatever telemetry it gives them completely. It's not unreasonable to assume that without the ability to push haiku use aggresively for summarization, the average user in OC vs CC costs more.

This is a very good point. If the 3rd party tools are using opus for compacting/summarizing - that would increase inference costs for anthropic.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by mercanlIl »

adastra22 wrote: post #164
conception wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they get telemetry, feedback, good will, etc. That’s one reason why usage is discounted to a subscription fee.

They don't get any telemetry or feedback data from me, as I've turned all that off. So why should I be limited to CC?

If you don’t want to use CC, just use the API

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by motbus3 »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

I guess we will find out on the updated TOCs very soon

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by motbus3 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #373
danmaz74 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) "Should have" for what reason? I would be happy if they open sourced Claude Code, but the reality is that Claude Code is what makes Anthropic so relevant in the programming more, much more than the Claude models themselves. Asking them to give it away for free to their competitors se…

Yeah, I've heard of people swapping out the model that Claude Code calls and apparently its not THAT much of a difference. What I'd love to see from Anthropic instead is, give me smaller LLM models, I don't even care if they're "open source" or not, just pull down a model that takes maybe 4 or 6 GB of VRAM into my local box, and use those for your coding agents, you can direct it and guide it with Opus anyway, so why…

Anthropic might have good models, but they are the worse. I mentioned in another thread how they do whatever they can to bypass bot detection protection to scrap content.
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