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Post by grishka »

sph wrote: post #25
everdrive wrote: post #9

This outcome was obvious. If you really let yourself rely on an LLM, it will steer you towards what its owners want; products and services provided by advertisers, the "right" social and moral values, etc. It will even "accidentally" steer you towards its own inflections and ways of thinking. This is one isn't overtly malicious, but is still insidious. Do these companies get to standardize thinking and speaking just…

Brainwashing at a scale never seen before.

Do remember that using LLMs is a choice. And unlike, say, social media, by not using any AI at all, you aren't missing out on anything.

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #351
tarsinge wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually one of the people that continue to say even with this list they have no moat, because Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. can just embed a chatbot in their existing products or social network and make ChatGPT irrelevant overnight. Non tech users will chat through their browser, OS, Apps, website, that’ll be served by any model provider. The only moat of OpenAI is investor money to burn so that they can off…

> Also 20 billions of revenues, not profits, is orders of magnitude too low compared to their expenses. Nah, it's just one order of magnitude... Also, they expect revenue to grow exponentially so it's 20 billions annualized by the end of the year. Last time I saw somebody talk about it, it was about half of it, and trending down. Anyway, if they manage to take ~20% of the ads revenue from Google, they will be able to…

The problem is that inference is a whole different ballgame in terms of costs compared to a traditional SaaS model where each extra customer adds near zero in cost.

They may make it work but OpenAI is more akin to a traditional high revenue low profit business like for example a grocery store.

Thats why we are seeing the explosion of extra tools to try lock in business for higher value use cases and not fight on the margin.

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Post by fragmede »

cmckn wrote: post #374
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

I think ChatGPT’s moat is mostly “it’s the first AI thing I used/heard about”. It’s not clear to me that’s enough to maintain their market share if OpenAI is the only one mixing in ads. It does seem to work elsewhere, though; consumers have brand loyalty to a fault, and often for the brand they started with.

The question is how many users have developed intimate personal relationships and have named their ChatGPT, and how many of them would bounce to a different provider if some line is crossed (of which advertising could be one)?

Anecdata isn't data, but I know several individuals who have and thus are even more unlikely to churn than mere brand loyalty on the level of eg Coca-Cola.

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Post by ponector »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #256
afavour wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

There should be also mentioned brand of the kitchenette supplier, utensils and every food component with Amazon wishlist ready to order.

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Post by rsanek »

frankohn wrote: post #379

It's incredible that Google is letting OpenAI eat their lunch by capturing users while Google focuses on ad revenue. OpenAI offered ChatGPT for free to anyone—even if not their best model—without needing to be logged in. That's crucial for attracting and retaining casual users. If you compare this to what Google was at the beginning, it was just a simple interface to search the web: no questions asked, no subscriptio…

>a casual user can't use [Gemini] unless they: 1. have a Google account, and 2. are logged in.

Is this a regional thing? I can use Google AI Mode without being logged in just fine. AI summaries for certain queries are also auto-generated when logged out for me.

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Post by dolphinscorpion »

Andrex wrote: post #27
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Spinning up an all-new ad network is pretty tough. I would think OpenAI would need to beat Meta/Google on basics like CPM in order for the network effects to make it desirable for ad vendors over Meta/Google. Ad budgets are fixed and zero-sum and vendors (in my head, I don't know) would prefer to spend their money on the best network giving the best results. I don't know if ads in LLM chats can get there.

They have enough money for it, and they hire former Google and FB execs. As long as they have eyeballs, it will work.

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Post by sidrag22 »

LastTrain wrote: post #186
lenkite wrote: post #57

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Only a short matter of time before agentic tools start serving ads too - paying user or not. You want to refactor your codebase ? No issue - taking 30 seconds - please view this ad meanwhile.

It’s worse than that. It will be more akin to ad placement in movies, except in this case it will slip this proprietary library into the suggested solution instead of that one. Or embed ads in the solution code.

eh, maybe for the super vibey tools. I can't imagine anyone who wants to maintain the trust of devs would do this, they would so quickly pivot to something else, its not like the general public, where AI == chatgpt in their mind.

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Post by pxc »

lazide wrote: post #286
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #262

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Can anyone explain to me what ChatGPT does that traps people? I get the value as tools, I like using copilot, but ChatGPT doesn't offer me value that any other LLM can't. Given that everyone is quickly rolling "AI" into their own stuff, I don't see what's ChatGPT's killer app. If anything, I think Gemini is better positioned to capture the general user market.

They make it a habit to use them, by offloading that part of their thinking/process to them. It’s similar to Google Maps, or even Google itself. When was the last time you went to an actual physical library, for instance? Or pulled out a paper map? Gemini is a competitor, yes. But most people still go to Google at this point, even if there are a ton of competitors. That is what the race is about (in large part), who…

> When was the last time you went to an actual physical library

My eyesight is making paper books harder and harder to read, so I don't go to libraries and bookstores as much as I used to. But I think libraries are still relatively popular with families, because they're sites of various community activities as well as safe, quiet places to let kids roam and entertain themselves while the parents are nearby.

When I was a kid, my parents went to the library much more often than they do now, because they were taking me and my sister there. And then we would all get books before we came home.

Not saying you're entirely wrong, but there's a significant part of this that is "changing rhythms of life as we age", not just "changing times".

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Post by rafark »

aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

How many of those are actual active users though? I created my account when chatgpt 3.5 was launched because it was a novelty but haven’t used it in a long time. I use Claude and Gemini but I’m somehow counted in that 1 billion figure

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Post by staticman2 »

a4isms wrote: post #353
serf wrote: post #317

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this is one of those HN style comments where business acumen and pertinent sarcasm are wholly indistinguishable .

Poe's Law notwithstanding, I find it hard to believe that anyone would think I was making a good faith business acumen observation. If Optimus walks you to the kitchen to get a coke, what's Tesla's business model? Charge by the nanosecond for compute time?

The robot suggested a coke zero because it was paid to by the Coca-Cola Company. Now you'll need to buy more coke zero to replace what you drank.
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