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Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #379

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I left this [1] comment a few weeks ago, and I already knew people like you would have dogged on GP for giving their child this level of access and autonomy, just like I knew the HN thread from the other day about homeschooling was going to dog on people who allow their child to go to public school - because teaching children self-sufficiency, self-assurance, and confidence to deal with bad influences is a relic of a…

The linked comment seems to imply that you have no kids of your own, and generally identify with a child still. That's fine, but not a good look for this kind of conversation. Children should not have easy access to addictive drugs, digital or pharmaceutical. That exposure does not build agency, it does the opposite. You cannot expect a child to be able to resist the combined effort of a multi-trillion dollar industr…

>"That's fine"

Glad we sorted that out. Barring that, I am not interested in what things you find to be a "good/bad look" for my participation in this conversation.

>"Children should not have easy access to addictive drugs, digital or pharmaceutical."

They should not. And luckily for you, for at least 2/3 things you said, neither do adults. We've already established a baseline belief as a society that those (legally) require permissive access from subject matter experts, so I don't see your point. My originating comment - or the one I linked - certainly doesn't advocate for minors to have more permissive access to those (or any) industries than an adult?

For your comments onwards, you could have saved yourself a lot of time in your reply by acknowledging what I said in GP:

>"There's levels to it, and I understand a child can have all the tooling in the world about how to deal with bad influences, and neglect its application solely due to naivety;"

You are right that exposure does not build agency alone - but I never claimed such; access to guidance and mentorship builds better decision-making and problem-solving for a child, and letting them practice agency and autonomy in their own lives allows them to see real-world use cases and applicability of those decision-making and problem-solving skills.

It's how parenting worked before this newest helicopter-lite style of parenting emerged, which seeks to declare as many hardships, trials and tribulations in life as a boogeyman in which a child CANNOT interact with, and pressures parents to coddle their child and build a zero-problem world around them - when that's not how the real world works. In doing so, a parent does not equip their child with the tools to appropriately carry themselves in a sometimes inappropriate world.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked comment seems to imply that you have no kids of your own, and generally identify with a child still. That's fine, but not a good look for this kind of conversation. Children should not have easy access to addictive drugs, digital or pharmaceutical. That exposure does not build agency, it does the opposite. You cannot expect a child to be able to resist the combined effort of a multi-trillion dollar industr…

>"That's fine" Glad we sorted that out. Barring that, I am not interested in what things you find to be a "good/bad look" for my participation in this conversation. >"Children should not have easy access to addictive drugs, digital or pharmaceutical." They should not. And luckily for you, for at least 2/3 things you said, neither do adults. We've already established a baseline belief as a society that those (legally)…

> Glad we sorted that out

I read your "People like you" comment and got angrier and nastier than I should have. I apologize.

I will not continue this discussion. You're arguing against things I don't represent, and have assigned a lot of opinions to me after reading a one-sentence comment.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #37

It's a nightmare managing all this stuff. Roblox, Minecraft, Meta Quest services, Fortnite, the list goes on and on. These companies are not helping us either. Thankfully my son and his friends have somehow iterated away from Fortnite. It's no longer cool so they just stopped playing it. That's one less thing I have to worry about.

What's wrong with Minecraft? I'm not exactly a Microsoft fan, but am pretty impressed with how little control they have so far exerted over Java Edition, they even made modding easier recently by removing obfuscation. You can run your own server as much as you want with no fees, obligations or anything. And unless the kids know a server address, they can't easily join some third party server with weird stuff going on…

Java Minecraft (the old version, moddable, self-hostable) and Bedrock Minecraft (windows/console only, no self-hosted servers) are quite different.

The sad thing is that Bedrock is super simple. You can get it on any tablet, pay like 5-6€ a month to Microsoft for a "realm" and you can play with 3-4 friends online. They can join even if they don't pay, any mobile device, console or windows PC will work.

With Java you need someone to host the server or pay for hosting, then you need to give the address to your friends and have them connect. Then you need to worry about whitelists, because there are multiple services scanning for open Minecraft servers and people WILL come in and fuck your world up (happened to me).

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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It's a nightmare managing all this stuff. Roblox, Minecraft, Meta Quest services, Fortnite, the list goes on and on. These companies are not helping us either. Thankfully my son and his friends have somehow iterated away from Fortnite. It's no longer cool so they just stopped playing it. That's one less thing I have to worry about.

To be specific: Bedrock Minecraft bad. Java Minecraft good.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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Isn’t this just called “having a discord server” or even a group text? If you only want to talk with people you know outside the game, you don’t need the game to facilitate that.

most of the Roblox predation is occurring on Discord, so not a solution (and actually explains why the CEO this article is about feels like its not his problem, because as long as people keep pointing fingers in the wrong direction for our legal system, then the CEO and Roblox corporation will be impervious and their efforts seen as sufficient)

That means your kid has joined a random person's Discord server without your knowledge.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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This is a sympton of something worse. The bigger issue: Roblox isn’t the real problem, it’s filling the gap left by the disappearance of unstructured, unsupervised play in the physical world. Kids used to build worlds, take risks, and form friendships outdoors. Now many have no safe places to roam, no peers outside scheduled activities, and no cultural permission to be on their own. So they do all that in Roblox inst…

Sorry for being blunt, isn't this mostly an US phenomen? Around most European countries kids are pretty much still playing outside as they feel like it, without having some neighbour call the police due to bad parenting or whatever it happens to be.

I live in Europe and I rarely see kids or teenagers outside.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for being blunt, isn't this mostly an US phenomen? Around most European countries kids are pretty much still playing outside as they feel like it, without having some neighbour call the police due to bad parenting or whatever it happens to be.

I live in Europe and I rarely see kids or teenagers outside.

Me as well, maybe travel a bit around.

Note the sibling comments asserting the same as I am.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #382

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>"That's fine" Glad we sorted that out. Barring that, I am not interested in what things you find to be a "good/bad look" for my participation in this conversation. >"Children should not have easy access to addictive drugs, digital or pharmaceutical." They should not. And luckily for you, for at least 2/3 things you said, neither do adults. We've already established a baseline belief as a society that those (legally)…

> Glad we sorted that out I read your "People like you" comment and got angrier and nastier than I should have. I apologize. I will not continue this discussion. You're arguing against things I don't represent, and have assigned a lot of opinions to me after reading a one-sentence comment.

I appreciate the apology, and I want to apologize if "people like you" came off as prickly. I genuinely didn't mean *you* as a person, but rather "someone like you" as an entity that took an action I had expected to see; I knew that someone was going to leave a one-liner criticizing GP's choice to give their child a certain level of digital autonomy, and advocated for GP on their behalf. I should have said "someone" rather than "people like you".

That said, "arguing against things I don't represent" is generally how debates and newfound perspectives go, and I wish we could have continued. I certainly don't think I assigned any opinions to you, let me know if I'm amiss.

Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #9

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Our parents had problems figuring out how to program the time on the VCR. Technology advances faster than parents can keep up. If someone was selling drugs on the street on the way to school, would we be blaming parents who let their kids walk to school that they should parent better, or would we deal with the drug dealer?

Oh yeah, I remember 20 years ago when the Internet was fine for a child to brows unsupervised.

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Re: Roblox is a problem but it's a symptom of something worse

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our parents had problems figuring out how to program the time on the VCR. Technology advances faster than parents can keep up. If someone was selling drugs on the street on the way to school, would we be blaming parents who let their kids walk to school that they should parent better, or would we deal with the drug dealer?

Oh yeah, I remember 20 years ago when the Internet was fine for a child to brows unsupervised.

If you think the internet today is anything like it was 20 years ago, I don't know what to tell you
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