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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by nottorp »

kaszanka wrote: post #364
dlock17 wrote: post #343

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It is a pretty fair comparison. You do have the option to open up Discord voice chats on PS5. Amazing what Discord could do when forced to actually write something efficient. Youtube also exists as an app, and maybe you can trick the heavily gimped built in browser to go there as well, although last I checked it wasn't trivial.

TIL! That's neat, I wonder how much RAM that client uses compared to the desktop one.

Personally I haven’t caught the discord electron app (it’s not a desktop client) using more than 4G of ram at one time :)

Maybe 6 once. Try not to leave it for weeks displaying the memes/cat photos channels…

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by AuthAuth »

nottorp wrote: post #260
AuthAuth wrote: post #57

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It still is a rule of thumb, you dont need DDR5 for a gaming computer let alone 64gb. A low end am4 cpu + 16gb of DD4 3600 and a decent gpu will beat a ps5 in performance and cost. I dont understand why the headline made this strange comparison.

The thing is, on a ps5 you just open the game and it runs fine. On a PC you may have the bright idea to open a browser along with the game for walkthroughs/hints. Or Discord to chat with your friends while gaming. Due to javascript bloat, your working set size goes from 16 to 48-64 Gb in a jiffy.

I can run the spotify electron app, discord and watch youtube on my 2nd monitor perfectly fine with 16gb of DDR3 ram. When I open my game I get better fps than the ps5.

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Post by EddieB »

Anamon wrote: post #313
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Just went through this today for my daughter- struggled to find an i5 not on pre-order, and the RAM was crippling- ended up going Ryzen 7 for a first time and 2x8Gb DDR5 6000 @ £119 - looking forward to building it with her!

Ryzen is the better choice anyway :) Props on building a PC with your kid, I have very fond memories of doing that with my dad. Have fun!

Thanks :) very much looking forward to it! Maybe I’ll be a AMD convert after this!

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Post by mrguyorama »

fragmede wrote: post #201
addaon wrote: post #195

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Not unless you’re adjusting timing. Premium gas has lower energy per unit mass and per unit volume than standard gas.

> Not unless you’re adjusting timing. Which, every modern ECU will do automatically based on output from the knock sensors.

Only if it has the physical ability to use more octane.

In theory, your average Camry running on 87 is pulling spark timing to ride the edge of knock for best fuel efficiency by being lean, but how much? It was designed to be safe on even kinda shitty gas, that has lower than 87 octane at points, and the ECU is going to err on the side of caution.

That naturally aspirated 2AR-FE in a Camry does not have the ability to compress harder, so if you put 93 in it, it may only be able to "utilize" the extra knock resistance up to say 89 by advancing spark timing.

Meanwhile your average Golf TSI probably can, and the VW GTI I have demonstrably gets better gas mileage on 93 octane, even though it is "rated" for 87 octane (and therefore has a lower mpg claim than it is capable of), but this was an engine that previously was rated at 91 octane and nerfs itself so hard on 87 that it is dramatically easier to stall, and the power figures are rated on 91 octane anyway.

You are almost certainly spending more money on gas even if you eke out a percentage point or two extra mpg on higher octane fuels, as they are priced at higher margins and have lower scale.

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Post by nickpp »

47282847 wrote: post #369
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> a big chunk of USAmericans have been living paycheck to paycheck That doesn't mean they are poor, just poor with their money. Saving is a skill that needs to be learned. > That's bad advice. No. Not investing, when the S&P500 index had a 6% inflation-adjusted annual historical return over the last 100 years - is bad advice. Not hedging the arrival of an AGI that you think can replace you - is bad advice.

It’s not an utopian idea to try as a society to hedge and distribute returns to all members. From a human resource perspective, it is insane (ie. costly and inefficient) to put it on the shoulders of each individual. But that’s where we are (almost; happy to live in a country with still some public services like unified healthcare and retirement funds). Yes, you can drill your own well to have water in a society, for…

> It’s not an utopian idea to try as a society to hedge and distribute returns to all members.

It's not utopian, is downright dystopian. Redistribution means forceful confiscation (through taxation) from the most productive members of society. This in practice means punishing work, innovation and creation and rewarding laziness and low productivity. This will logically lead to a less productive societies that will fall behind and be either bought out or conquered by more successful, more aggressive societies. We've seen this scenario unfolding in the EU.

> I enjoy every part of life where complexity is being dealt with for me

Me too. But I want private companies dealing with that complexity, because market competition controls them and keeps them honest, unlike governments which are monopolies happy to give people free benefits and entitlements to buy themselves their next elections.

I also want participation in such schemes to be voluntary not compulsory since this keeps people responsible, aware and educated. Compulsory schemes are widely hated and rejected, even when being a net positive otherwise.

> public utilities

My water utility is a state-granted monopoly charging outrageous prices. Same for my electricity provider. I would love to quit them, but any competition was outlawed, of course.

> you can demand each member of society to learn about ETFs. Personally

If you have time, go to an online calculator and compute how much the compounded amount taken for pension from your salary every month would be worth today if invested in an S&P500 index ETF - then compare to your projected state pension. It was eye opening to me.

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Post by nottorp »

sofixa wrote: post #309
nottorp wrote: post #259

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3070 isn't mid range. Low end is ryzen integrated graphics now, xx60 is mid range at best. Maybe even xx50 if those still exist.

> xx60 is mid range at best. Maybe even xx50 if those still exist "It's mid range if it exists" doesn't make sense. Also you're missing that they're talking about 3070, a card from 2020 (5 years ago), 2 generations behind this year's 50xx series. The 30xx matters more than the xx70 here. It was an upper midrange card when it came out, and it's solidly midrange for Nvidia's product lineup today. You can have cheaper a…

> it's solidly midrange for Nvidia's product lineup today

If we're talking performance. Not price.

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Post by Aerroon »

Aurornis wrote: post #321
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You brought up a light computing load that a laptop from like 2005 wouldn't struggle with? People ran multiple browser windows, a 3D video game, irc (chat application), teamspeak/ventrilo (voice chat) and winamp (music) all at once back in the early 2000s. This is something an 8 year old phone can do these days.

I’m responding to the comment above claiming that modern software is slow on modern hardware. It’s an HN meme to claim that Electron apps are unusable.

They are slow though. There are noticeable delays on any machine I've used with them compared to native desktop applications. It's absolutely not just a meme.

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Post by Aerroon »

jodrellblank wrote: post #322
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The problem is the VRAM segmentation. A GTX 1080 came out in the first half of 2016. It had 8 GB of VRAM and cost $599 with a TDP of 180W. A GTX 1080 Ti came out in 2017 and had 11 GB of VRAM at $799. In 2025 you can get the RTX 5070 with 12 GB of VRAM. They say the price is $549, but good luck finding them at that price. And the thing with VRAM is that if you run out of it then performance drops off a cliff. Nothing…

> " They say the price is $549, but good luck finding them at that price. " I did one Google search for "rtx 5070 newegg usa" and they have MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 5070 12G down from $559 to $499 for Black Friday, and ASUS Prime RTX 5070 12GB for $543. https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-5070-12g-ventus-2x-oc... https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-rtx5070-12g-geforce-rtx-50...

That's great if you live in the USA or another giant rich country. Not so much when you don't.

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Post by nickpp »

Refreeze5224 wrote: post #377
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Because every time I encounter such capitalism haters they turn out to be marxists in disguise. Usually pushed and promoted by people that never lived outside of their comfortable capitalist wealth bubble, written on capitalist devices, here , on this very venture capitalist's forum! The hypocrisy boggles the mind, really. It's like the lack the most basic understanding of economics and they never read any history. I…

Lucky for you, I'm not a Marxist. There is a very large current of people who are socialists but not Marxists, and have spent literally over a century analyzing history, economics, and capitalism itself, without insisting on the coercive hierarchy of Marxism or capitalism. And it has a long history of working in practice, even if in the modern day it tends to be crushed by both Marxist and capitalist forces, because…

I've seen mainstream "socialists" (Obama, Sanders, countless Europeans) embracing and sustaining authoritarian communist thugs like Chavez, so...

We've seen here in EU socialist policies cripple our economy to the point we're lagging the USA and we can't even defend ourselves from the blood-hungry psychopath in the east.

> libertarian socialism

Is this a real thing? Any examples of being implemented anywhere? Cause it sounds like a oxymoron to me. Socialism means regulations and confiscation from the productive members of society (taxation). Those must be enforced with the threat of force so less liberty there...

> no one deserves to be able to force you to do things

So I shouldn't be forced to pay my taxes? How would then a socialist government implement its expensive social policies?!

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