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In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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Re: In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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Given the negative world wide trend with birthrates, this should be a priority with every developed country even if it eventually comes at the expense of elderly socialized healthcare.

If eight billion people is not enough, do you have a higher number in mind? And if so, what is it?

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I hope you were right, but I strongly suspect you are mistaken. Most people fail to understand: - Social welfare programs come at the expense of reducing everyone’s income. - The extent of the social welfare overspending is significant; we have long surpassed the point of helping those in dire need and are now funding numerous programs that, if fully understood in its long-term cost, would likely not be supported. -…

What's your source for saying that most people fail to understand that social welfare programs come from taxes? The concept of where government money comes from is such an obvious fact, I don't understand how you can claim most people don't understand it. People go to work for a paycheck, they pay taxes, and they understand money doesn't grow on trees. This is adulting 101. And no, "subsidized" means a portion of som…

Fussing with language to make rightwing political points (i.e. lying) is the bread and butter of rightwing ideology. You don't say "I don't think governments should spend any money on social services or helping their citizens", because that makes you sound like a terrible person. So you look down your nose and say "Well, it's not really FREE, akshually! I am very smart." And then you prance around tooting your dog whistle.

Re: In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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US actually provided child care to mothers employed during WWII. [0] Richard Nixon vetoed the bill that would have expanded it out to all families. [1] Funny how we keep forgetting the past and reject what benefited us as a whole with a moved to pure individualism built around selfishness. AKA The rich keep getting richer. [0] https://www.wwiimemorialfriends.org/blog/the-lanham-act-and-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.or…

> Funny how we keep forgetting the past

The remembering/forgetting what "made America great" is very selective. Factory jobs: yes! Labor unions: (silence)

Re: In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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While in a low trust society, which you obviously already have, people are most productive when they're at perpetual risk of starvation.

No, you simply are unable to reap the benefits that are available to high trust societies.

Reap 'em? I'm unable to even conceive of them!

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I agree with the concept of not labeling things which are subsidized as "free", while still considering the price worth it. Similarly, I think the framing of negative rights vs entitlements makes sense, while still believing that certain entitlements are worthwhile. Unfortunately, I have found that such framings are mostly associated with a set of beliefs which I feel profoundly at odds with (e.g. unlimited wealth in…

Right. I believe every socialist should feel offended by the term “free healthcare.” Building an economy capable of sustaining such a system requires immense effort and collective support. Describing it as “free” is a marketing tactic that assumes people are stupid.

> Describing it as “free” is a marketing tactic that assumes people are stupid.

No... it's a statemet of fact that means when I leave the doctor's, I don't have to pull out my checkbook or credit card or wait for a bill to arrive.

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I suspect that if the sample pre universal care was big enough, then the measurement of 40% is still good.

Not if the samples are skewed. For example, the people who get the care are from stable environments with financial means. After universal childcare is implemented, we start measuring these things in the broader population that has fewer access to resources generally.

The assumption here is that only people with means got care and were surveyed. I am not sure that this is the case. Moreover, you can correct for those factors, and, I assume, any statistician worth their salt are.

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While in a low trust society, which you obviously already have, people are most productive when they're at perpetual risk of starvation.

"productive"

Simplest way to increase total absolute output is always to stop providing intake.

Obviously, this fails almost immediately; operative word "almost". Definition of "almost": longer than a moment. Definition of moment:

As it happens, high-trust societies have just spent the better part of a century teaching their constituents to "live in the present", atop half a millenium of teaching them that time is a thing linear, discrete, and properly scaled for decision making.

Ergo: if the time between doing something stupid and realizing you did something stupid is longer than your attention span, you're a perpetual motion device.

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Trust is irrelevant, families gain the after tax income of working mothers but society gains not just the pretax value but the actual value of work generated. Thus subsidizing childcare and moving the needle to align society’s benefits and family benefits is a net gain without the issue of trust being involved. The same is true of quality public education etc, however creating US vs THEM narratives are politically po…

How can trust be irrelevant? Why would anyone want pretenders and deceivers to have better families?

So that we don't get even more of them!

Re: In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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Right. I believe every socialist should feel offended by the term “free healthcare.” Building an economy capable of sustaining such a system requires immense effort and collective support. Describing it as “free” is a marketing tactic that assumes people are stupid.

> Describing it as “free” is a marketing tactic that assumes people are stupid. No... it's a statemet of fact that means when I leave the doctor's, I don't have to pull out my checkbook or credit card or wait for a bill to arrive.

But the doctor isn't working for free, the nurse isn't working for free, the receptionist isn't working for free, the machines in the office weren't free, the rent on the office isn't free. Yes, theres no bill that arrives that you pay for directly out of pocket, but the system very much isn’t actually free.
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