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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.

It's gimmicky and it seems the only people "impressed" or "mindblown" with AI content are boomers on Facebook.

Any time I see some obviously AI generated content, whether it be some LinkedIn-influencer type or some blog spam that got well ranked on SEO, I'm immediately disgusted. The internet is eating itself.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $. AI enthusiasts need to anticipate that. We're in the VC subsidy phase, but the hammer will drop sooner or later. If you think ads are bad on Google and Facebook now, just imagine a Google that has to spend 100x more on compute to service your requests.

Plus the incentives are totally fucked. It's bad enough with search, it's far worse with AI. Nobody (referring to companies) wants the best model. Or the one that gives the right answer the first time 100% of the time. They want the model that's just good enough to keep you prompting, but just bad enough that you use a fuck load of tokens and see a million ads. Unless they start making these things say more expensive…

> Or worse, suggestions to use paid services to solve all your problems, because companies paid to have the LLM shill it's products

and it's all going to be microsoft services shudder

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that…

AI has a quality problem because of GIGO, and thats accelerating. It simple vacuums up everything and in the past decade, everything was more and more shit. Information entropy crossed with physical entropy. These MBAs will never invest in weeding out the garbage, and the rest of us will never get paid enough to do it ourselves.

I don’t really buy this argument. It assumes companies like OpenAI are incentivized to be unselective about training material. Instead what we see is things like making deals with Reddit for known valuable data. I don’t think any AI operator is training on brand-new unvetted so spam websites by default now.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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post #383

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AI has a quality problem because of GIGO, and thats accelerating. It simple vacuums up everything and in the past decade, everything was more and more shit. Information entropy crossed with physical entropy. These MBAs will never invest in weeding out the garbage, and the rest of us will never get paid enough to do it ourselves.

I don’t really buy this argument. It assumes companies like OpenAI are incentivized to be unselective about training material. Instead what we see is things like making deals with Reddit for known valuable data. I don’t think any AI operator is training on brand-new unvetted so spam websites by default now.

Oh god. Reddit has a select amount of good data compared to other markets. But if you actually read through a thread, you will find absolutly random things upvoted that stray into the zeitgeist.

If you givw a valid opinion in the wrong subreddit you get muted. The inverse is also truth. You arw using a filter these AIs dont.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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The thing is, for us normal consumers AI only has downsides. AI blogspam is made to serve you ads and make you buy stuff. AI posts / comments on Reddit are made to make you buy stuff. AI videos are made to keep you engaged, and then serve you ads which at the end make you buy stuff. Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $.

> Soon ChatGPT will start to weave ads into their output because they'll need to make $. you have no reason to believe this is not already the case.

I wondered why it was using fast food items for variable names..

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Super smart is a dilution to the word "smart". The ongoing dilution of the word "smart" and "intelligence" is going to haunt us for centuries. LLMs are better seen as the Chinese Room human in the cell combining symbols it doesn't understand

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Also, I am unimpressed.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

Don't forget the audience member who literally asked if it was a joke - and got cheers and applause from the rest of the audience. It was probably one of the biggest PR disasters in gaming history - and it does seem like the AI CEOs have been taking quite a bit of inspiration from it.

I just got curious, and googled around how much Diablo Immortal made - "Diablo Immortal has achieved over $500 million in revenue in its first year". To put it bluntly, nobody cares about this PR disaster internally, because at the end, they made a lot of money and proved them wrong.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

unfortunately for them, it doesn't matter that it's impressive, because i don't need it.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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CGI and Photoshop filters were 'fake' too. Until they weren't. Every single time {something more convenient} got invented, the supports of the {older, less convenient thing} would criticize it to death. Oil painting was considered serious art now. Probably the most serious medium in traditional art schools. But at Michelangelo's time he insisted to use fresco because he believed oil was "an art for women and for leis…

>CGI and Photoshop filters were 'fake' too. Until they weren't. IMHO they still are, watch any old movie with practical effects (Aliens, Star Wars, just to name 2) and compare them to any 2025 production, green screen movies might look spectacular but they look fake, flat and boring.

They don't even look spectacular. This recent video went into the differences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwPKBXEOKE

It is telling that there's still an active market for cameras and lenses despite LLMs.

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