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Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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Forget the talk about bubbles and corrections. Can someone explain to me the rationale of investing in a product, marketing it, seeing that it drives consumers away from your product and erodes trust, and then you continue to invest at an accelerating rate? Good business would have driven us very far away from this point years ago. This is very deep in the "because we can" territory. It's not FOMO.

> Can someone explain to me the rationale of investing in a product, marketing it, seeing that it drives consumers away from your product and erodes trust, and then you continue to invest at an accelerating rate? Sure! Google began investing heavily in AI (LLMs, actually) to catch up to the other frontier labs, which had already produced a product that was going to eviscerate Google Search (and therefore, Google ad r…

I like the duck duck go AI summaries...

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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Currently? Wishing there was an S&P 500 that banned tech stocks.

The SPXT [0]/XMAG [1] ETFs are exactly what you're looking for. [0] https://www.proshares.com/our-etfs/strategic/spxt (S&P minus tech stocks) [1] https://www.defianceetfs.com/xmag/ (S&P minus "Magnificent 7")

Am I misreading, or does SPXT still hold >20% GOOG, TSLA, META, AMZN?

"Information technology" apparently just means Microsoft and Apple.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

#383

Forget the talk about bubbles and corrections. Can someone explain to me the rationale of investing in a product, marketing it, seeing that it drives consumers away from your product and erodes trust, and then you continue to invest at an accelerating rate? Good business would have driven us very far away from this point years ago. This is very deep in the "because we can" territory. It's not FOMO.

I don't know which product you're even talking about.

If you mean AI Overview, you really need to cite the source of this claim:

> seeing that it drives consumers away from your product

Because every single source I can find claims that Google search grew in 2024[0]. HN is not a good focus group for a product that targets billions of people.

[0]: For example https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-growth-39040.html but feel free to provide a more credible source that claims the opposite.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

#384

Forget the talk about bubbles and corrections. Can someone explain to me the rationale of investing in a product, marketing it, seeing that it drives consumers away from your product and erodes trust, and then you continue to invest at an accelerating rate? Good business would have driven us very far away from this point years ago. This is very deep in the "because we can" territory. It's not FOMO.

While you & I may find shoehorning LLMs into every nook & cranny distasteful, I worry Marl may think differently

https://open.substack.com/pub/nothinghuman/p/the-tyranny-of-...

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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1974 median individual income was $28k 2024 median individual income was $45k Over 50 years that’s a decent amount of growth. Obviously it could be better but it’s not nothing. Source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

Sure but pretty sure with your 1974 28k you could buy a nice house, whereas with your 2024 (equivalent) 45k you can buy an OK car, not a house

In theory this graph is already inflation-adjusted.

In practice, I think this shows why economic statistics are borderline lies.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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So if WhatsApp had an outage, but you needed to communicate to someone, you wouldn't be able to? Don't you have contacts saved locally, and other message apps available?

In most of Asia, Latin America, Africa, and about half of Europe? You’d be pretty stuck. I guess SMS might work, but it wouldn’t for most businesses (they use the WhatsApp business functionality, there is no SMS thing backing it). Most people don’t even use text anymore. China has it’s own Apps, but everyone else uses WhatsApp exclusively at this point.

Brazil had many times a judge punished WhatsApp by blocking it in Brazil, and all the times that happened, Telegram gained hundreds of thousands of new users.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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Does anyone really think it’s “if” and not “when” ?

I've been trying to grok this idea of - when does a bubble pop. Like in theory if everyone knows it's a bubble, that should cause it to pop, because people should be making their way to the exists, playing music chairs to get their money out early. But as I try to sort of narrative the ideas behind bubbles and bursts, one thing I realize, is that I think in order for a bubble to burst, people essentially have to want…

You’re over complicating something that is very simple. The stock market reflects people’s sentiments: greed, excitement, FOMO, despair…

A bubble doesn’t need a grand catalyst to collapse. It only needs prices to slip below the level where investors collectively decide the downside risk outweighs the upside hope. Once that threshold is crossed, selling accelerates, confidence unravels, and the fall feeds on itself.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

#388

Forget the talk about bubbles and corrections. Can someone explain to me the rationale of investing in a product, marketing it, seeing that it drives consumers away from your product and erodes trust, and then you continue to invest at an accelerating rate? Good business would have driven us very far away from this point years ago. This is very deep in the "because we can" territory. It's not FOMO.

People are scared of change which threatens their occupation, hobbies, and sense of human purpose.

Even if that change is wildly profitable for megacorps in the long run.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

#389

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I think it’s because a lot of people feel like AI is being pushed from the top a lot with all kinds of spectacular claims / expectations, while it’s actually still difficult to apply to a lot of problems. The AI bubble bursting would be somewhat of an “I told you so!” moment for a lot of people. And there’s also a large group that’s genuinely afraid to lose their job because of it, so for that group it’s very much un…

I do agree that there seems to be a bubble, imo it's largely in the application space with the likes of cursor being valued at $23B+, but I don't see GPU purchases going down anytime soon and I don't even see usage going down. If these overhyped apps fail then it seems like something else will take their place. The power that LLMs provide is just too promising. It seems like those predicting things like a global econ…

> I don’t even see usage going down

Depends on the price to use these cloud LLMs.

Re: Google boss says AI investment boom has 'elements of irrationality'

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> Who is going to be buying the products and services if no-one has money to throw around? The same people who are buying products and services right now. Just 10% of the US population is responsible for nearly 50% of consumption. We are just going to bifurcate even more into the haves and have-nots. Maybe that 10% now becomes responsible for 70+% of consumption and everyone else is fighting for scraps. It won't be s…

The top 10% income bracket of the US is broad enough to include basically all US software developers, isn't it? If all jobs evaporate, what does the economy look like when just based on interest and dividend payments?

> The top 10% income bracket of the US is broad enough to include basically all US software developers, isn't it?

I wish! My salary is a bit below the median US household income.

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