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You need to calm down. That’s a hell of a lot of personal attacks following a comment made in good faith.
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Denmark's government aims to ban access to social media for children under 15
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Do you think a law which restricts "social media" will be crafted delicately enough to affect Instagram and Facebook but not HN?
Of course not, instead kids will be logging into some russian/chinese 4chan-esque service which has no qualms about the opinion of US law.
This is the way things should be. Down with enforcable laws!
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This is part of the K-shaped economy. Highly skilled jobs can absolutely be 'perform or be fired', because you're paying for a person's ability to do a specialized thing, and there's usually only so much specialized work to be done. But there are also a lot of 'we need bodies at a low cost' jobs. And those latter jobs run on work_output : labor_cost, which can always be maximized by making fewer workers do more. (Con…
Yes, and this dichotomy has been analyzed by political and economic theorists for centuries and everyone except autocrats and slave owners has agreed that the conditions surrounding the "work_output : labor_cost" jobs you describe are a huge miscarriage of justice and ought to be discarded with the past. Whether that is predicted to occur via bloody revolution or capitalist accelerationism is a matter of your particu…
Not treating people like that requires a fundamental move away from capitalist primacy in the US.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you're expecting it to be corporation-initiated.
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I strongly suspect the network connection is the issue, not the software. Let the kids have graphing calculators!
I generally agree. But so much software today is useless without a network connection. Online help (anybody remember those chm files?) was often very very good, because it was supposed to be _the_ documentation for most software.
May these regulations encourage a RETVRN to local-first software.
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This is very extreme take. I learned to program at age 10. It is an amazing tool for mind development. Had to invent sine and cosine tables to make my computer games, before even encountering the concept at school.
Is that survivor's bias? there are many other mental development goals chidren should have. for the very small number of children that will learn to program at that age, there is no harm in delaying it a few years, but for the vast majority whose development would be stunted, or worse, they'll be harmed. Some kids learn to drink and smoke at a that age too, and many turn out ok.
Kids who drink qt an earlier age respect it more. Americans waiting until 21 ends up in binge drink / problem drinking. Social media is going to be the same.
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I don't know, maybe? Maybe it's not up to the state to decide whether my kids developmental metrics allows them screen time before age 13? What kind of nanny state is that?
I don't think that's a nanny state. you can't give your kid alcohol for example at that age, let them drive, get married (don't get me started on some countries!), operate a chainsaw or other dangerous machinery. This is a danger to their mental development. Look at teacher forums all over. r/Teachers on reddit should be illuminating. Tech and parents sticking devices to their kids instead of raising them properly ha…
In Europe alcohol is given at that age and teaches respect. Waiting until 21 / spring break teaches nothing.
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I think you're missing the point. 5 year old me was writing their own computer games and at no point did I need or ask my parents how to do it (though they did buy the computer; thanks mum and dad!), they didn't know. There were a plethora of books in the library on how to program, and here you are suggesting I, and everyone like me, be banned from doing so. You'd probably also ban me from the library by assuming I c…
I think books are great, provided they're age appropriate. First, my proposal is a delay, not a ban. This is such a good idea, that a lot of FAANG CEO's are doing this for their kids welfare (more or less) already. I think the overall welfare of kids should be weighed against the benefits. I think you should have been learning to tinker with electronics, solve math algorithms and develop all kinds of curiosities. the…
That 1% or 20% is the gifted children you want to learn. That 99% or 1% shouldn't hold back gifted kids
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Neither the test group nor the control group does have to know they are part of an experiment.
That's not how double blind studies work.
You misunderstood my point.
I didn't claim the participants wouldn't know whether they own a phone - obviously they would. I said they wouldn’t know they’re in a study whose purpose is to correlate smartphone use with academic performance.
That's perfectly compatible with a double-blind setup:
* the *students* just think they’re taking standardized tests, not that the effects of their smartphone habits are being monitored;
* the *graders* don’t know whose tests belong to whom.
That’s about as "double blind" as social-science research gets. The commenter I replied to latched onto the literal impossibility of hiding the phone itself, not the intentional design of the experiment.
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#389This should be EU wide, and I was against Chat Control.
Eu-person here.
You leave my kids alone.
I'll decide for them, until they're old enough, or mature enough, to decide for themselves. My spouse agrees.
Banning stuff for kids doesn't work, one (of them) will find a way, and once the cat's out of the bag, it's hard to get an elephant in the bag.
So far, education, information, and trust (!! - and I most certainly don't trust them), seems to work for us.
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#390Reading these comments makes me very happy I decided I should not have children. I think we need fewer people having children but I also think the whole community should help raise these fewer children.
> I also think the whole community should help raise these fewer children.
Which whole community? Churches, politicians, cops, and that strange 'uncle'?