I was unduly surprised and disappointed when I saw the photo of the kid and he turned out to be black. I would love to believe that this had no impact on how the whole thing played out, but I don't.
Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear, the false negative here would be a student who has brought a gun to a school and the computer ignores it. That is a situation where potentially multiple people can be killed in a short amount of time. It is not far, far worse to send cops.
Depends on the false positive rate doesn't it. If police are being sent to storm a school every week due to a false positive, that is quite bad. And people will become conditioned to not care about reports of a gun at a school because of all the false positives.
For what I’m saying, no it doesn’t because I’m just comparing a single instance of false positive to a single instance of false negative. Neither is desirable.
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why did they waste time verifying? The police should have eliminated the threat before any harm could be done. Seconds count when you're keeping people safe.
We all know the cops will go for the easy prey: * Even hundreds of cops in full body armor and armed with automatic guns will not dare to engage a single "lone wolf" shooter doing a killing spree in a school; the heartless cowards may even prevent the parents from going inside to rescue their kids: Uvalde school shooting incident * Cop on a ego trip, will shoot down a clearly harmless kid calmly eating a burger in hi…
All of your examples are well known not because its normal and accepted but because they are exceptions. For every one bad example there are thousand good ones, that's humans for you.
Doesn't mean they are perfect or shouldn't criticised but claiming that's all they are doing isn't reasonable either.
If you look at actual per capita statistics you will easily see this.
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#385We blame AI here but what's up with law enforcment that comes with loaded guns in hand and send someone to the ground and cuff him before actually doing any check? That is the real issue. Police force anywhere else in the world that know how to behave would have approched the student, have had a small chat with him, found out all he had in hands was a bag of doritos, maybe would have asked politely to see the content…
Or they'd have looked at whatever images the system had used for its decision and see it was a false positive without having to send anyone over.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Texas filing a false report is a crime and can result in fines and/or imprisonment. Details: https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-... Furthermore, anyone who files a false report can be sued in civil court.
“The system flagged a gun, please check it out” is not a false report.
It might be, depending on the integrity of "the system".
I can make a system that flags stuff, too. That doesn't mean it's any good. If they can show there was no reasonable cause then they've got a leg to stand on.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But in this case both are bad. If it was a false negative students might need therapy for a more tragic reason. Given the probability of police officers in the USA taking any action as hostile and then ending up shooting him a false positive here is the same as swatting someone. The system here sent the police off to kill someone.
Sure. But school shootings are also common in the US. A student who has brought a gun to a school is very likely not harmless. So false negatives aren’t free either.
What's the proportion of gun-carrying to shooting in schools?
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, corporations have all of the rights of a person, abilities beyond a person, yet few of the responsibilities of a person.
Our failure at "corporate alignment" makes it pretty clear that we're also going to fail at any version of "AI alignment"...
The two will likely facilitate eachother :(
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#389Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…
Get Precheck or global entry. I only do a scanner every 5 years or so when I get pulled at random for it. Otherwise it's metal detector only. Unless your zippers have such chunky metal that they set that off you'll be fine. My belt and watch don't. Note: Precheck is incredibly quick and easy to get; and GE is time consuming and annoying, but has its benefits if you travel internationallly. Both give the same benefits…
...maybe not, but a few bucks could still solve this problem
Sure, can't argue with that. But doesn't it bug you just a little that (paying a fee to avoid harassment) doesn't look all that disimilar from a protection racket? As to whether it's a few bucks or many, now you're just a mark negotiating the price.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://archive.is/DYPBL > Gaggle’s CEO, Jeff Patterson, said in an interview that the school system did not use Gaggle the way it is intended. The purpose is to find early warning signs and intervene before problems escalate to law enforcement, he said. “I wish that was treated as a teachable moment, not a law enforcement moment,” said Patterson. It's entirely predictable that schools will call law enforcement for m…
Exactly. In a saner world, we could use fallible AI to call attention to possible concerns that a human could then analyze and make an appropriate judgment call on. But alas, we don't live in that world. We live in a world where there will be firings, civil, and even criminal liability for those who make wrong judgments. If the AI says "possible gun", the human running things who alerts a SWAT team faces all upside a…
There is still liability there and it should be even higher when the decisions to implement so callously bad processes. Doubly so since this has demonstrably happened once.