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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by outofpaper »

votepaunchy wrote: post #295
tw04 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage That's absurd. I would be running to NetApp and Dell for competitive object storage quotes then. Haven't done pricing on either one recently but at least a few years ago they were roughly half the price of S3 all in (including hosting costs).

> half the price of S3 No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.

Agreed and for most smaller use cases theres always b2 from Backblaze.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by magicmicah85 »

hansmayer wrote: post #358
magicmicah85 wrote: post #334

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Years ago I worked in customer service. There was this guy who came in to to motivate us. He talked about the work of someone named Bob Farrell who had a chain of ice cream shops and sold burgers. He had received a letter from a disappointed customer. The customer had been given the extra pickles on his burgers for years and now one of Bob's employees told him he now had to pay extra for it. The customer said he'd ne…

> Minio doesn't have to give non-paying users anything, but the story still applies. How on earth does it apply when your complete example story relies on the satisfaction of the paying customers. If you're not paying, you're not a customer - you're a user.

Users have value even when they’re not paying.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by baobun »

caymanjim wrote: post #359

I don't think this is really a big deal. Plenty of others already maintain public OCI images of Minio (Bitnami is one example). So long as that's the case, there are options. I'm not familiar with Minio's licensing terms, so maybe they can put an end to that practice if they want to, but I suspect there are drop-in replacements other than the official Minio Docker Hub image. What Minio is doing wrong here is thinking…

> Plenty of others already maintain public OCI images of Minio (Bitnami is one example).

Looks like that's coming to an end too.

https://community.broadcom.com/tanzu/blogs/beltran-rueda-bor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048419

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by heavyset_go »

naikrovek wrote: post #276
Nux wrote: post #270

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Nothing like VC or IPO to ruin a perfectly good product...

it used to be that people started businesses so that they could help others by providing a product or a service to them. late stage capitalism arrives when people create businesses solely to get rich, and when other companies are created solely to get rich by helping those people create their companies so that they can get rich. that's what ycombinator is. most of capitalism used to be symbiotic. engaging in transact…

That's a bit naive. Look at the early industrial revolution, when most goods were still made at home, locally or on a small scale by craftsmen.

People went from having the land and resources to craft, for example, their own shoes, then a few decades later they were in a position where they had to buy shitty factory made shoes that fell apart instead because they were kicked off their land to work in factories.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by caymanjim »

baobun wrote: post #383
caymanjim wrote: post #359

I don't think this is really a big deal. Plenty of others already maintain public OCI images of Minio (Bitnami is one example). So long as that's the case, there are options. I'm not familiar with Minio's licensing terms, so maybe they can put an end to that practice if they want to, but I suspect there are drop-in replacements other than the official Minio Docker Hub image. What Minio is doing wrong here is thinking…

> Plenty of others already maintain public OCI images of Minio (Bitnami is one example). Looks like that's coming to an end too. https://community.broadcom.com/tanzu/blogs/beltran-rueda-bor... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048419

Yeah, I saw that recently. linuxserver.io bundles a lot of apps into OCI images, and I use many of theirs because they tend to be better-designed than official ones—or at least more consistent.

And while some people might be intimidated by it, it's not a huge lift to make your own images. I don't mean to trivialize it, because it's at best inconvenient, and can be challenging. In many cases it's only a few minutes of work to bundle something up. LLMs are great at this. For a Golang app like Minio, it's a piece of cake, since you don't have to install a zillion dependencies manually.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by timcobb »

antiloper wrote: post #128
tom1337 wrote: post #36

I am also so confused as to what MinIO is now. All I see on the website is AIStor - have they dropped the "S3 Alternative" Marketing and went full AI?

If you want VC funding, your marketing pages need to go all-in on AI. Even if your product has nothing to do with it.

Yikes

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Nullabillity »

votepaunchy wrote: post #295
tw04 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage That's absurd. I would be running to NetApp and Dell for competitive object storage quotes then. Haven't done pricing on either one recently but at least a few years ago they were roughly half the price of S3 all in (including hosting costs).

> half the price of S3 No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.

That, in itself, should be plenty of reason to stay the hell away from it.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by eek2121 »

tw04 wrote: post #258
mattbee wrote: post #89

They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant. From their Slack on Oct 10: "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible ". [emphasis mine] The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't goi…

>The price of support comes in at at slightly less than the equivalent amount of S3 storage That's absurd. I would be running to NetApp and Dell for competitive object storage quotes then. Haven't done pricing on either one recently but at least a few years ago they were roughly half the price of S3 all in (including hosting costs).

Cloudflare is the cheapest, from what I understand, due to free egress and competitive pricing: https://www.cloudflare.com/developer-platform/products/r2/

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by mobileturdfctry »

This is interesting. I've recently been doing quite a bit of research into what my "future stack" is going to be for backend. MinIO regularly came onto my radar but one heuristic (among many) I use to determine which software is TRULY open source and which is far less likely to remain open source is whether they even provide a link to their Github page and prominently display it on their website. MinIO was triggering my "not really open source" radar for this reason.

I'm still dabbling but have kind of latched onto the idea of using Ceph. To my understanding they were acquired by RedHat, and the project has all the signs of real open source, including the fact that it originated as a doctoral research project at the University of California, Santa Cruz, with initial funding from the U.S. Department of Energy.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Klemoniono »

hansmayer wrote: post #357
Klemoniono wrote: post #243

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So just to be clear, they publish the docker image, they have an Github action which is basically free for them to build and release it into a free registry but they don't do it. So i setup everything to do this on my github with their code and publish it on my package. And you don't think this is stupid? The problem is the critisim how they act and even if they release everything and its just building the image, you…

The scenario you described is mainly just benefiting you. Whether Min.IO loses or wins something based on this decision, will remain to be seen. In either case they don't owe it either to me or to you to provide a built image, especially as they continue to provide the source, including the Dockerfile. In either case if in your setup you are not able to rebuild an image off of a Dockerfile, your setup is worth rethin…

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