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Similar experience; I haven’t had to use Outlook since the late 90s, and even then only for about a year. Every company I worked for before or since just used IMAP.
What did you have as the IMAP client?
Thunderbird
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I'm gonna be honest, you sound like a problem employee. The companies not using Microsoft, are using Google. Which in my experience is equally or measurably worse. Just personal data points, but every avowed Microsoft hater I've ever worked with has been... difficult. Like a-drag-on-the-team-because-he-refuses-to-use-company-tools difficult. Edit: How does an aged post on this site go from +4 to -1 in the span of a f…
Microsoft's softwares do not follow standards thus they hard to work with.
What? Are there UX "standards", the lack of which might impede an end-users experience of the product? Or are you referring to protocol and/or interoperability standards, which make it difficult for 3rd parties to integrate (though, looking at my current work desktop, I can see that Zoom integrates very well with Outlook).
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#383For the Outlook haters out there here's my 2c of anecdata. At home I use BetterBird, at work Outlook, and I used to use Apple Mail/Calendar on my phone. I access multiple mailboxes: Microsoft 365, Google Workplace and Apple iCloud.
1. There is no planet on which BetterBird/Thunderbird is better than Outlook as a mail client. None.
2. I hate having my mail and calendar apps separated, so on the phone moved from Apple Mail+Calendar to the Outlook iOS app. Been using it for a couple of years. Can't imagine going back.
In my experience, the Outlook client provides features I want in a way that is usable across multiple clients. While I use BetterBird on my personal linux laptop (mainly for sync, so I always have a local copy of my mailboxes), I also use the web Outlook client (much more usable).
On Linux I've also used Evolution - not a massive usability difference with the FooBird. If anyone can recommend a combined mail + calendar client for Linux that is polished and power-user functional, and can work well with differing mailbox providers, I'd love to give it a try.
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Microsoft's softwares do not follow standards thus they hard to work with.
What? Are there UX "standards", the lack of which might impede an end-users experience of the product? Or are you referring to protocol and/or interoperability standards, which make it difficult for 3rd parties to integrate (though, looking at my current work desktop, I can see that Zoom integrates very well with Outlook).
This was 2 years ago; compression in Azure Front Door works only when you enable caching in Azure Front Door. This is made up rule by Microsoft. It is not standard.
Also I was compressing my responses in my back-end but Azure Front Door was decompressing them. Why?!!!
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#385For the Outlook haters out there here's my 2c of anecdata. At home I use BetterBird, at work Outlook, and I used to use Apple Mail/Calendar on my phone. I access multiple mailboxes: Microsoft 365, Google Workplace and Apple iCloud. 1. There is no planet on which BetterBird/Thunderbird is better than Outlook as a mail client. None. 2. I hate having my mail and calendar apps separated, so on the phone moved from Apple…
Thunderbird is a good email client, and much better IMO than all web clients.
Haven't used Outlook propper on Windows for a long time. But I did not like it, and I seriously doubt I would like it today.
Have you used Thunderbird without Exchange? Is the calender functionality you don't like? (haven't used it)
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I’m fairly certain I’d deeply regret my life choices if I had to use teams daily. Occasional (mandatory) usage interacting with it for various gov’t usage, etc. has reinforced that view. Why subject yourself to something you know you’ll hate every day if you can avoid it? Is that being entitled? Plenty of people don’t have such choices, sure! If so, who cares? Live your life, make your decisions. Don’t let jealous pe…
If everyone else genuinely loved Teams, I could stomach using it even though I hate it. But regardless of what anyone says about it, it seems the rest of the company also hates it— it's a ghost town. There's no sense of community whatsoever. My personal "sample size" is too small to be sure, but I worry that Teams usage is poisonous to collaboration and engineering culture.
When I did my orientation, we got set up on teams and they made a group chat for our cohort. I think I’ve used it…once in the two years I’ve been there? Otherwise, Teams is for meetings, thankfully the company managed to stick with Slack despite pretty much everything else being wrapped in the MS tendrils.
I do wonder if they tried to push teams for text chat before I got there and were shot down. Management seems fairly receptive to some amount of give and take when it comes to decisions about office tooling e.g. I was cited as “the reason” engineers still have access to Figma Dev Mode, and I can’t say we had more than a handful of vocal people pushing to keep it. Company size is somewhere between 200-500 iirc
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I don't mind teams but really do hate outlook.
But you can ‘thumbs up’ an email! Do you even read your ‘weekly digest’? /s
I’ve never been so constantly annoyed and confused in an email client than I am in Outlook. I miss actual important emails because the UI is a sea of junk.
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Teams is just so much more horrible than Slack and Zoom, and dev teams use Slack and/or Zoom.
When it was introduced Teams was pretty bad but these days it works just fine. I don't see that it being a decider really more than just historical preference.
We have Teams and Slack and I don’t ever see anyone push for a chat in teams. Most channels are a ghost town. To me, teams would be “fine” if it’s all we had, but when you see it next to Slack it’s a no-brainer for me. Teams UI is just baaaaad
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ok, excluding things they have bought and not yet destroyed. what's good? (we'll accept that xbox is good, distinct and unrelated to the rest of their offerings)
Is there a one stop solution for email, calendars, bookings etc that could run on premise?
Zimbra, Nextcloud Hub, MDaemon (Mail/Cal/Contacts), Group Office and Kopano come immediately to mind.