this article with 1 comment is top of the front page for me, how come?
I believe they changed the algorithm a lot in the last 12+ months; I think bots and automation are becoming more and more of an issue - like everywhere else
Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock
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#382These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…
In most of EU doorbell cameras that point to public places are not covered by GDPR's household exception so if you use them you would be classified as data controller which come with it's own set of duties, responsibilities & limits. Is that not the case in Netherlands?
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#383All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement. I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.
How does your total solution work? Today, there's a lot of convenience with Nest. Is there an equivalent experience that doesn't involve exposing your data to megacorps?
Not having to expose data to mega corps is one part of the solution, but more so there should be a solution where government can’t so trivially circumvent 4th amendment by purchasing the data from corps they’re not allowed to collect w/o a warrant.
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#384I commented on a similar post earlier, but my entire neighborhood, hundreds of houses, came with them preinstalled. Can’t even leave my house without being surveilled. Some people have the setting on where it starts announcing stuff any time it sees a person, which it does all the way to the sidewalk. So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times. And it’s about as dystopian as yo…
The police chumminess is super dystopian. I definitely went with E2E encrypted cameras because I also think it's so crazy people just hand all that data over without realizing how powerful it is and how much personal privacy they are throwing out the window.
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#385Slight tangent: on top of that, I just read an article yesterday (which of course I can't find again right now) about how false automatic alarms from such cameras will incur a fee from the owners when the Police comes to check it out. It was from somewhere in Texas.
That's pretty common with any alarm system not just Ring. I know you get the first false alarm with a response for free. After that, fines/tickets are issued. It might have been 2 free can't remember as it's been a long time since the alarm was installed and info was provided. This was in Dallas specifically before I go painting with too broad of a brush. Even further back, I had an alarm system installed, but never paid for monitoring. They also warned about fines after too many false reports, and that was a tiny town waaaay outside of Dallas.
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#386I'm willing to bet $$$ anyone will be able to call themselves a 'local security agency' before proper controls are implemented.
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#387All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement. I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.
How does your total solution work? Today, there's a lot of convenience with Nest. Is there an equivalent experience that doesn't involve exposing your data to megacorps?
I don’t know what the “equivalent experience” is, since I never really cared to learn what Nest does or why people want it.
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#388They do have an end to end encryption option. Wonder if that helps any. https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...
The security of pretty much everything Amazon boils down to KMS.
KMS access is based on IAM policies.
If law enforcement wants access to your KMS keys, they'll compel IAM, not KMS, to give them access. If you ask KMS about it, they'll play dumb.
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#389One of the many reasons to host your own stuff. It costs about 0.75CAD per day to run my server and PoE switch. For my 20 bucks a month I get cameras, a media server, password manager, push notifications, file sharing, and a dozen other services, all without handing my data over to business or governments.
Is it as secure as a cloud service? Depends on what you consider secure. I closely monitor access logs and use strong passwords, Amazon has billions to spend on encryption, apps, and datacenters but they also have thousands of employees that can access your data at any time for any reason.
I would love it if some commercial host-it-yourself product were released but that goes against the pay to play model that has been chosen for all modern tech.
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#390I commented on a similar post earlier, but my entire neighborhood, hundreds of houses, came with them preinstalled. Can’t even leave my house without being surveilled. Some people have the setting on where it starts announcing stuff any time it sees a person, which it does all the way to the sidewalk. So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times. And it’s about as dystopian as yo…
> came with them preinstalled
That's concerning. Now we have to worry about spyware coming pre installed on houses. I wonder how much the developers got paid to install those?