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Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.

It's by no means the first if you've been outside of the US. Glad to see we're moving in the direction of China, Russia, Europe, etc.

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I can't help you there. This is what matters https://whatwg.org/ Not this https://developer.chrome.com/blog https://www.electronjs.org/

Sorry, I genuinely can’t even tell what you think we are talking about here at this point.

Follow the thread thou started, therein the answer will be.

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Back in 2011, Apple removed apps that crowdsourced warnings about DUI checkpoints. It remains Apple's policy today. According to Grok, "In March 2011, four Democratic senators—Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), and Tom Udall (D-N.M.)—sent letters to Apple, Google, and Research in Motion (BlackBerry's parent company) urging the removal of such apps […]" So, we have precedent wher…

> to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement. No, they continued to allow police location apps (Google maps will even tell you where they are). The language they added to the app store rules were very specific: "Apps may only display DUI checkpoints that are published by law enforcement agencies, and should never encourage drunk driving or other reckless behavior such as excessive speed." Whether o…

What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints?

I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

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Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.

And it won't affect their branding in any relevant way. As "Amusing Ourselves to Death"[1] would explain, what almost all Apple consumers want is just FaceBook, WhatsApp, memes and games. Anything else is "boooring!". We live in an Idiocracy[2]. Deal with it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

I've started buying refurb, and will be heavily considering my upcoming electronics purchases. I encourage others to reduce consumption from companies which kowtow to this dangerous administration's demands and rhetoric.

I've been boycotting Amazon as best I can for nearly a decade though since they had ambulances outside their warehouses and delivery workers pissing in gatorade bottles but reducing consumption of toxic brands can be done and is effective at sending messages when done en masse.

I also boycott all the social media companies, Disney, Google as much as possible.

Sadly, there's not a ton of options in this space (computer electronics).

I've also e-mailed tim.cook@apple.com and expressed my opinions in a polite manner. Maybe someone read it. Who knows.

Stand up, fight back!

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Back in 2011, Apple removed apps that crowdsourced warnings about DUI checkpoints. It remains Apple's policy today. According to Grok, "In March 2011, four Democratic senators—Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), and Tom Udall (D-N.M.)—sent letters to Apple, Google, and Research in Motion (BlackBerry's parent company) urging the removal of such apps […]" So, we have precedent wher…

Why is Waze allowed since it let's you report speed traps? Probably because it doesn't technically advertise it as such, just "hey something requiring police presence is around". ICEBlock should rebrand as a generic "police activity" app and have a category "other" that everyone understands is ICE but isn't labelled as such.

>Why is Waze allowed since it let's you report speed traps?

Because the right to share police locations is protected by the 1st amendment

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> to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement. No, they continued to allow police location apps (Google maps will even tell you where they are). The language they added to the app store rules were very specific: "Apps may only display DUI checkpoints that are published by law enforcement agencies, and should never encourage drunk driving or other reckless behavior such as excessive speed." Whether o…

What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints? I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

We do not have DUI checkpoints in my country, but I would assume they delay the travel due to being, you know, checkpoint. So it might be desirable to take alternative route if you do not want to spend time waiting for the check. I guess?

I strongly doubt this was a reason for the app though.

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Only works if everyone stops helping Google to turn the Web into ChromeOS Platform.

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I mean, it's still a valid point even if it's a fixation. The enshittification of the web to work "only on Chrome" while Chrome is controlled by an advertising company whose motivation is to sell ads with it over providing a good consumer-oriented product is a problem.

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This creeping authoritarianism is why Google's play to force developer registration (before allowing a developers apps to be installed on android) is so irresponsible of Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

It's like they don't understand what's possible to be coerced into from there. They cite "danger to users" as the rationale, but their imagination of danger is so damn limited

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Only works if everyone stops helping Google to turn the Web into ChromeOS Platform.

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What capabilities do you need that current web browsers don't satisfy? I hear this argument quite a bit with Safari bashing. While Apple does seem to favor the "native" approach, I also use Mobile Safari exclusively for my own apps, and it works fine.

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Why is Waze allowed since it let's you report speed traps? Probably because it doesn't technically advertise it as such, just "hey something requiring police presence is around". ICEBlock should rebrand as a generic "police activity" app and have a category "other" that everyone understands is ICE but isn't labelled as such.

>Why is Waze allowed since it let's you report speed traps? Because the right to share police locations is protected by the 1st amendment

oh, right.
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