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Re: Kagi News

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Post by ilvez »

beala wrote: post #339
lostlogin wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This aspect matters and there is little comment here on this (other threads on Kagi have raised it). Kagi’s ‘neutral’ stance on politics, their association with Yandex/the Russian state mean this will be interesting to watch. It’s by far the best search I’ve ever used. https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1gvcqua/psa_the_ka...

IIUC, the basis for this claim is that Kagi pays Yandex (a Russian search company) for access to Yandex's image search API. Is that the entirety of their link to Russia? If so, it seems like a stretch to accuse them of being a "Russian disinfo laundering service" (GP's words, not yours), but this is my first time hearing this, so if I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

You haven't been missing much. Just have been very sad to give up the best search after receiving that nice yellow t-shirt of theirs and not given even an option to opt out from Yandex. But war is war and even more so when its on your doorsteps. Sad story, is all.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by lukan »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #357
fgalhwrg wrote: post #320

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As an American, confirmation that the landing was a hoax would make me even prouder than my current belief that it was real.

The moon landing was filmed. Problem is, Stanley Kubrick was such a perfectionist that he _demanded_ they film on location.

On the other hand, he shot Full Metal Jacket in England and not Vietnam, so maybe he was able to compromise ..

Re: Kagi News

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Post by jama211 »

bhrlady wrote: post #323
jama211 wrote: post #259

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Many reasons, if this news were summarised by humans I would prefer it, one example reason is with AI summaries I know to look out for hallucinations. To be honest though that’s not the point. I’m more annoyed they weren’t transparent about their methods than I am about them using AI.

Kagi team member here who helped author that blog post announcement. That's a fair point, and we've updated the post to now clearly mention that we use AI for the daily briefing. Thank you for your feedback!

Thank you!

Re: Kagi News

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Post by boxed »

lyu07282 wrote: post #100
boxed wrote: post #57

I think a fundamental issue with news is that it doesn't try to push people to have a more correct mental model of the world. Some things that could change that: - Deep fact checking. Community Notes on twitter do a better job at this than any other system I've seen. The reason it doesn't really work in practice is that the stream of misinformation and confusion is orders of magnitude larger than the Community Notes…

That's just media literacy I think. I would add to that "Sourcing": if the article just parrots some press release or badly summarizes some paper, it should at least link to that but they rarely do. Then it is hard to find the primary source, because you'll only find articles about it, not the actual primary source that they bury in google search.

> That's just media literacy I think

The word "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Systems can change. Human brains on a population/genetic level can't. Blaming individual humans when we know statistically what they will do is mathematically equivalent to giving up.

Also, giving someone information that turns out to be false and never following up isn't "media literacy". I can't see how it can possibly be.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by mitchell209 »

viraptor wrote: post #264
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #40

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I used Kagi search for awhile but eventually switched back to google because Kagi location aware search sucks. It might be better nowadays. I’ve been living on their browser Orion for a few weeks now though and it’s great. It works about 90% of the time which is impressive for a browser that isn’t tested alongside the big 4

What do you mean 90%? Orion is WebKit under the hood, so any failures would be surprising.

Most of their failures are usually on their custom features instead of basic WebKit / Safari functionality, in my experience. As a basic browser it’s great, but I consistently have issues with 1Password logins, especially if passkeys are involved. That isn’t necessarily their fault but the end result of me being unable to use their browser is the same. And if I’m going to use a basic browser I might as well use Safari and not deal with any third party software.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by kubafu »

timeinput wrote: post #145
kubafu wrote: post #134

This but let me choose over what period I want news summarised. Daily is too often, even week is (at least to me). Let me open the app once a month and see a summary of what has happened over it.

This defiantly doesn't do exactly what you want, but you might enjoy Delayed Gratification at https://www.slow-journalism.com/

Will give it a go. Thanks!

Re: Kagi News

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Post by seec »

byearthithatius wrote: post #269
pjc50 wrote: post #265

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There's too much demand for fake news, plenty of subsidy for it, and it's far easier to make. Non fake news is going to be restricted to pay services like Bloomberg terminals.

It is getting easier and easier to fake stuff and there are becoming less and less fully trusted institutions. So sadly I think you are right. Its scary but we are likely heading towards a future where you need to pay to get verified information and that itself will likely be segmented to different subscriptions for what information you want.

Well the thing is that technically information is free, but creating it is definitely not. So, if Ads are not paying for it, and people won't pay for it either, who does?

Fake news exists because of the perverses incentives of the system; where getting as many clicks as possible is what matters. This is very much a result of social networks and view-based remuneration.

I don't think it's that bad if people need to pay for real information...

Re: Kagi News

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Post by mikelward »

Looks great for general content. Love that it offers translation.

But the Sports section is bad. The game finished 10 hours ago and it's still showing a match preview.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by slaterbug »

lukan wrote: post #382
encrypted_bird wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moon landing was filmed. Problem is, Stanley Kubrick was such a perfectionist that he _demanded_ they film on location.

On the other hand, he shot Full Metal Jacket in England and not Vietnam, so maybe he was able to compromise ..

Yeah, they filmed it on Ganymede instead.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by lostlogin »

ilvez wrote: post #381
beala wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIUC, the basis for this claim is that Kagi pays Yandex (a Russian search company) for access to Yandex's image search API. Is that the entirety of their link to Russia? If so, it seems like a stretch to accuse them of being a "Russian disinfo laundering service" (GP's words, not yours), but this is my first time hearing this, so if I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

You haven't been missing much. Just have been very sad to give up the best search after receiving that nice yellow t-shirt of theirs and not given even an option to opt out from Yandex. But war is war and even more so when its on your doorsteps. Sad story, is all.

The opt out bit would solve it for me too.
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