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>> Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. How is Cloudflare gatekeeping things? I believe you but don't understand the mechanism.
Cloudflare sends certain users they think are bots into infinite captcha loops - the wrong user agent or tor endpoint can do it
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Cloudflare sends certain users they think are bots into infinite captcha loops - the wrong user agent or tor endpoint can do it
I assume this is only on sites that are on Cloudflare though. Or, no?
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I’ve never understood the evil MITM endgame here. Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach, and approximately all their revenue comes from large enterprises that will leave in droves (and some will actually sue them) if they started exploiting it. The thing where they let DDoSers use them to protect their public sites from rival DDoSers is sketchy as hell, but doe…
> Cloudflare's ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach ... Contracts can be and regularly are changed. Ebay, PayPal, Etsy, Google, Microsoft, ad nauseum all have done this many times. Contract-based protections mean very little if those clauses are non-perpetual and revokable.
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How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?
Because human nature is what it is. The best way to eat better isn't to be a better person, it's to not keep junk food at the house. It's not Cloudflare's fault that they're successful, but it's now everyone's problem that they're an easy throat for governments to choke.
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> Cloudflare's ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach ... Contracts can be and regularly are changed. Ebay, PayPal, Etsy, Google, Microsoft, ad nauseum all have done this many times. Contract-based protections mean very little if those clauses are non-perpetual and revokable.
Changed by informing in advance. If they change it to scrape your data to sell it to advertisers or someone, drop their service.
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wget isn't supposed to work on these sites. They've chosen Cloudflare and asked them to do this.
That’s exactly the part that people forget: all these policies are decided to be applied by the website owners. It started with DDoS blocking and they just extended it to more things. I feel like people here are forgetting the fact just how hostile bad actors on the internet are / can be.
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> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?
That didn't really have to do with the law. You could segue it was a free market action. Though there were definitely legal threats as well. (There's even people here in this thread making similar claims of Cloudflare supporting specific groups/content)
https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
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> Cloudflare's ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach ... Contracts can be and regularly are changed. Ebay, PayPal, Etsy, Google, Microsoft, ad nauseum all have done this many times. Contract-based protections mean very little if those clauses are non-perpetual and revokable.
Changed by informing in advance. If they change it to scrape your data to sell it to advertisers or someone, drop their service.
Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
Yes, but also you can't send an email in any meaningful way on the internet without going through a middleman anyways so while philosophically you're correct, in reality it's already the case.
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> However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. I don't think that's it, and I think the explanation is much more simple and straight-forward. Cloudflare established a very successful business model around a straight-forward, very transparent, no-bullshit CDN. Now, they started offering other cloud services build around their CDN. Cloudfla…
Much of their model and success was by giving away a lot of service for free. I'm not discounting their innovations but had they not been VC funded and given away free service I suspect many would still never have heard of them.
What does this purity test accomplish? that's just how things work in this industry. Can you name a company that has innovated on their scale that hasn't taken VC?