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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by mrtksn »

vikarti wrote: post #378
mrtksn wrote: post #309

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I agree with that, I'm not arguing for discrediting arguments by age and ask for authority of the elders or something of that sort. Age provides context, it's helpful with facilitating the conversation in a healthier manner. Just the other day I was having an intense argument with someone on reddit, at some point it occurred to me that they don't understand because they are too young(checked the profile, definitely s…

Sometimes I wish I'm able to knew things like this in discussion: - is person legally adult(not necessary due to being of age, emancipation is also ok, people who do emancipation usually more...adult) - how much education person really have? (it's _usually_ pointless to discuss anything related to science with children from middle school)

Exactly. The "Ideas are fighting" thing isn't true, its actually people trying to convince each other and they should be at least close or you end up pandering over the basic stuff draining away your energy.That's why discussions in schools classes are much more high quality, they happen between people who were through about same stuff and even if they discuss the basics it happens with people on the same page.

Its useful to have an outsider to look at this thing from a different perspective but they still need to be at about same level. It's extremely rare to have an unrelated genius, %99.9 of the time the the outsiders are people who didn't go through the basics that a homogeneous group went through and they just do a speed run on the basic ideas that everybody first though but didn't work. Still shouldn't be dismissive, has its place when the established understanding strayed away from reality but its not possible to base all the discussion on such a composition.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by raxxorraxor »

mindslight wrote: post #246
avra wrote: post #242

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Most of the times the user prioritizes more convenient options over privacy. "Pressure for competing options" will mean that options compete for the most convenient way, not most secure or most private.

Sure, but the point is that the more convenient less-secure ways are going to be criminalized. Otherwise nobody would use the age verification app in the first place.

Then the recommendation from this should be to become criminal.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by sjw987 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #193
sjw987 wrote: post #87

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I think you're exactly right, and the groundwork is being laid today by the standards society is setting for everybody. People will assume a lack of phone or the presence of a phone but lack of usage / content on it, makes you guilty of some sort of crime similar to owning a burner phone. Tell somebody you use your phone less than 10 minutes a day and look at their face change.

> Tell somebody you use your phone less than 10 minutes a day and look at their face change. While not less than 10 minutes per day for me, but I was having this argument on reddit over the iPhone Air - people couldn't fathom that there's someone out there that is not on their phone 24/7, and doesn't use their phone as their main computing device. I clock in at under an hour screen time most days. It's the least ergo…

I've found the divide between people who switched to using a phone full time and people who still use physical peripheral based computers (even for recreational activity) is generally linked with whether the person is a digital productive/consumerist type person.

Nobody is coding or writing anything longer than an email or social media post on a virtual keyboard.

The average screen time for younger people borders on 7 hours. It's almost a third of the day or 40% of the woken day for most people. I still can't wrap my head around how that can even be possible, but then I see in public most people you look at in any given moment are reading, watching or sending/sharing something.

If the conspiracy theorists are right, the tech industry created a surveillance system beyond their wildest dreams.

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Post by hulitu »

bonoboTP wrote: post #286
jacobgkau wrote: post #274

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Of course-- there will be accommodations to start out with. Then, after the new system has become "just the way things work," the accommodations will be removed for security or efficiency or some other reason. Or maybe not. I've never lost a boarding pass, but if you lose one, you can get it re-issued somewhere, right?

Without endorsement of the behavior, here's a guy getting arrested for being argumentative about not having a boarding pass in the app, and being told he can't pay their 5 dollar boarding pass print fee with cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwwPmHyuEA Again, being argumentative like this never helps, but it will be you either go along with it, get escorted out or not fly in the first place.

This really looks dystopian. But, this is the future.

No TLS certificate (which will expire soon), no boarding. /s

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Post by hulitu »

1over137 wrote: post #336
okanat wrote: post #129

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Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

>Not in EU That's especially crazy. With Trump's/USA's belligerence, why on earth would EU companies/banks/governments want to require that you have an Apple/Google account, it makes them totally dependant on foreigners!

Because "deal". Why implement an aithentication when you can use the Google/Apple/Microsoft one ? It's free. You only have to make a "deal" and give them all your data (which they have anyway, because they run the keylogger on your device).

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Post by sjw987 »

john01dav wrote: post #353
koyote wrote: post #333

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Maybe we need to collectively all 'lose' our phone just before boarding at the gate, resulting in some flight delays, so that this nonsense gets reverted.

This is the sort of solidarity that we need against this insanity.

And the sort of solidarity that unfortunately will never happen. Most people will just download the app and carry on. Very few people hold the very real concern about things moving in this direction.

Your average phone user is already hostage to 7 hours of screentime daily. They don't mind installing more apps. The average person has hundreds of apps on their phone, many of which are never even used.

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Post by tao_oat »

userbinator wrote: post #342
zelphirkalt wrote: post #66

Well, in the end there may only be one thing left we can collectively do, but which we surely won't collectively do, because too many of us are way too comfortable to accept any discomforts: We can avoid using services implementing shit, so that any business that singles out desktop users or disadvantages them, doesn't have much of a customer base. Voting with out feet. I have very little hope, that the common user w…

How to make the normal person aware and interested in their own digital rights. Start a revolutionary, reactionary movement. Many people wonder how the current US president was elected. Regardless what your political stance is, it's good evidence that if you can recruit a huge number of followers in your agenda (and in the process, likely make nearly as many opponents), and have them repeat your "propaganda" as much…

Of course, to build a movement, you need a way to get people aware and interested in the first place...!

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Post by dzikimarian »

ronsor wrote: post #54
disruptiveink wrote: post #45

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The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? That seems completely contrary to the spirit of EU laws and regulations, which tend to be about protecting the consumer, preventing monopolies, ensuring people can generally live their lives where all things that are mandatory are owned and ran by the state and foster a…

> The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? Because the EU doesn't actually care about privacy, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to do this and ChatControl. They care about being the main ones to spy on you, and maybe using fines as additional "taxes" on rich foreign companies. That's it.

Chat control is being pushed by anti-EU Danish representative. EU cannot help against extremists if people vote them into power in EU structures.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by sjw987 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #66

Well, in the end there may only be one thing left we can collectively do, but which we surely won't collectively do, because too many of us are way too comfortable to accept any discomforts: We can avoid using services implementing shit, so that any business that singles out desktop users or disadvantages them, doesn't have much of a customer base. Voting with out feet. I have very little hope, that the common user w…

The common user spends 7+ hours per day on their phone, has hundreds of apps installed which are all tracking and harvesting their data and personal information, regularly use at least 1 different type of social media or algorithm feeding app trying to alter their behaviour, probably are involved in at least 1 parasocial relationship with an influencer or content creator. And the common person sees that as the norm, doesn't believe it is contributing to any sort of mental health epidemic, or if they do acknowledge it, still can't resist it and improve their life.

If you so much as began talking about something like digital sovereignty, they'd bunch you with the fake moon landing and flat Earthers.

I have no hope in them.

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