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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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A percent of people have allergies to multiple vaccine ingredients. One of her friends likewise in the medical field with allergies was forced to get a vaccine or lose her job, and then proceeded to have significant medical issues afterwards from the allergy attacks The vaccine regime has lost many supporters, myself included.

There's nothing anyone can say to convince you, and that's sad.

Seriously, some of you do not understand and comprehend this issue

My wife with her medical allergies isn't flexible ON TAKING KNOWN ALLERGENS WHILE PREGNANT

Read the room!

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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There is recent research showing that it can (slightly) help even during HPV infection, see "Effect of HPV Vaccination on Virus Disappearance in Cervical Samples of a Cohort of HPV-Positive Polish Patients", J Clin Med (2023) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38137661/ . Also, the eligibility criterion of not vaccinating people above certain age is NOT valid. I mean, sooner better. But if you are adult and there is any…

Thanks! I wanted to talk about the effect on already infected individuals in my comment, but I couldn't find the study so I didn't say anything just in case I was misremembering it...

My doctor mentioned that. But also here ChatGPT was helpful to find these (linked a few similar studies).

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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I got 3 doses of gardasil at 37 in Norway. I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself). If your doctor is seriously advising you against taking the vaccine, you should consult another doctor for a second opinion.

I trust my doctor ... he's not some quack. I've looked online (multiple times over the years) and he's simply applying federal guidelines. Family members have died from cervical cancer so I get it. I also made sure my younger children received this vaccine. There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically?

> There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically?

Assuming you are not commenting in bad faith, my reasons are in my original comment: "I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself)."

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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How do men and men that are older get it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus_infection...

The vaccine, not the virus. :-). It seems completely blocked by many health authorities.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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I trust my doctor ... he's not some quack. I've looked online (multiple times over the years) and he's simply applying federal guidelines. Family members have died from cervical cancer so I get it. I also made sure my younger children received this vaccine. There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically?

> There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically? Assuming you are not commenting in bad faith, my reasons are in my original comment: "I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself)."

And I really don’t either. Close relatives have died from cervical cancer. I care about it a lot.

Ideologically it feels weird, but when the doctor says it’s not recommended, what do I say?

I’ve never fallen in the recommended categories. I’ve been to doctors overseas where I do fall in the recommended categories, but even they say to follow the advice off my “home practitioner.”

And while I’m at it, how do I generalize the ethics behind this? Which medicines should I ignore doctors advice and take anyway?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Here's why we should be wary of the "wonder drug" being touted by GAVI:

RFK Jr.: "Gardasil is probably the single worst mass vaccine that we've ever seen. This vaccine targets millions of preteens and teens for whom the risk of dying from cervical cancer is zero. Nobody in their right mind would ever take this vaccine if they actually read the clinical literature."

"Death rates in the Gardasil trials were 37 times the death rates for cervical cancer. Children who take that vaccine, the Gardasil vaccine, are 37 times more likely to die from the vaccine than they are to die from cervical cancer. The problem with Gardasil, like most vaccines, is it was never tested against a true placebo, an inert placebo."

"And the CDC and HHS say, if you don't test it against a true placebo, it's not science. You have no way of gauging whether the injuries you're seeing from the product are being caused by that product, or whether they're just bad, sad coincidences. The entity that is actually performing the study is, and paying for the study, is Merck."

"Merck got to decide which injuries were being caused by Gardasil and which were just bad coincidences. And because it had that power, it just wrote them all off as bad coincidences."

"You can do that when there's no placebo, because the injuries they were seeing in the control group, where the girls were getting aluminum neurotoxins, were identical to the injuries they were getting in the Gardasil group."

"So they said, well, we don't have to report any of these as vaccine injuries. They were able to license something that is insanely dangerous."

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Even if there's a small chance that it would make a difference, wouldn't it be worth it if you have the money and you feel like it's your duty to protect others ? At worst, it's useless and you have contributed to make a vaccine more profitable (which, IIUC is a problem for vaccines ?)

At worst, it's harmful! From top of my layperson head: bruised insertion sites, tainted needles, tainted vaccine supply, customer capacity crowding for the pharmacy, squeezing supply capacity for actual target demographics, etc etc etc. Things have tradeoffs, even if they are subtle. Relentless follow-through on marginal protocols should generally be treated with suspicion. Stranger danger advocates brush off the cri…

the proper lesson is not to fear every stranger, but to be suspicious of people who approach them.

if e.g. they are in trouble, then you don't want them to be afraid of strangers and not ask for help from the 99% of the people who would be happy to help them.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Finally, affordable housing!

Yeah, screw those old people with their houses! We should deliberately kill them off so that we can have cheaper houses! But please, don't let the next generation do that to us when housing turns out to be expensive for them too! Brilliant.

we're joking here... but GAVI is bill gates, who is saying very similar things in his "there are too many of us" talks... makes one wonder...

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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This is very different from recommending horse dewormer; if you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry.

In case you aren't aware, horse de-worming is just one use of ivermectin. The fact that it's used for that doesn't make it merely a horse de-wormer. > Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug. After its discovery in 1975, its first uses were in veterinary medicine to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis. Approved for human use in 1987, it is used to treat infestations including head lice, scabies, river blindness (on…

...and even a Nobel was given to its inventor (for its benefits for humans).
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