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Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by koliber »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #344
koliber wrote: post #227

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I am taking a broader definition of ad to include things that also have other names. - job ads and classified ads that can also be called listings - ads for events that can also be called notices - product description on services like Amazon and Ebay - websites describing products and services - 1st hand and 2nd hand mentions of products and services online that can be as close to the Some of the comments here seem t…

A huge distinguishing characteristic is that some of these things come to you, or are found passively, and some of them you seek out. I think that when the ad comes to you, there is a very good chance it has little or no value. Job listings are useful, but I have to seek them out. An event calendar is something I seek out. Product descriptions are only shown to me when I seek details about the product. An ad on the s…

I think you hit the nail on the head - people tend to think of push (outbound) marketing as "ads" while they don't think as much about passive ads.

It's true that it's harder to do push / outbound marketing in a way that does not feel annoying. I've seen it done and it seemed like the company was reading my mind in a good constructive way. That's rare though.

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by koliber »

wzdd wrote: post #126
koliber wrote: post #99

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I disagree that this is the sole purpose of ads. I can see how people arrive at that opinion, but I feel it is narrow and incomplete. With a little restrospection and introspection, anyone can see examples in their own life where marketing had another purpose. Marketing can take many forms. Many people narrowly define it as "spam emails" or "unsolicited phone calls." Those are also marketing, but there is so much mor…

The original comment, and your initial response, talked about advertising. The examples you give, and this response in general, are marketing. They are very different, and marketing is much broader.

It's true that they are different, but I would not say that they're very different. There is a considerable group of people here on HN who have a narrow definition of what an ad is.

Advertising and marketing are indeed two different things, but the distinction is blurry and the overlap considerable. I've read through the comment thread and it seems that advertising and marketing seem interchangeable in the way they are being talked about.

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by cindyllm »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #306
whartung wrote: post #292

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I think it's the bandwidth, or lack there of. A lot of it happens in out of band posts like these. It seems to happen less in interactive (i.e. chat, etc.). Make no mistake, it absolutely happens there. But not as much as in async posts (I don't think). I don't think it happens much at all with video. Most of it is surrounded by context (or lack of). How difficult it is to communicate (typing like this is not easy, a…

That sort of is what I find. I know that my idea is completely rectally-sourced, but I feel that the less time that we have to think about an element of an interaction, the less likely we are to go into the nasty "flame mode" we see. But there's exceptions to every case (especially when human nature is involved). I actually know people that are so emotionally broken, that every interaction that they have; regardless…

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Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by mrjay42 »

zestyping wrote: post #351
nonethewiser wrote: post #236

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>There's 26 people marked at "very liberal", which is 14% of the sample. > There's 39 people marked at "very conservative", which is 21% of the sample I think these numbers are off. Where are you getting that from? Is there raw data somewhere? I counted the people on the page and see 39 very conservative and 47 very liberal (not 26). I did not check the other numbers. But with that its 78 liberals which is 43%. And t…

Okay, they messed up something here. The number of little ASCII-art person squares depends on the size of your browser window . The squares get smaller when you make the window narrower, so it looks like it was coded to try to keep the number roughly constant. If I make the window narrow enough, there are 10 squares in a row and 19 rows, a total of 190 squares. The number that are coloured "very conservative", "conse…

Thanks for the correction ^^

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by derangedHorse »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #175
stavros wrote: post #76

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You can't afford to be alone in any society. Not in the monetary sense, but in the sense that it will make you depressed. The fact that many people don't realize this is troubling.

While very true, highly communal societies can be extremely toxic too. Imagine not being able to get a job and having everyone actually gossiping about you. Pretty much middle school fears realized.

If the society was truly communal, then the people able to employ you should be the same ones gossiping. The question then becomes why they won't employ you. I do agree that living communally can be unpleasant if you're an independent thinker with views different from everyone else in a way no one can appreciate.

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

999900000999 wrote: post #62
alex-moon wrote: post #39

I'm increasingly convinced that social isolation is the single great social ill of our time. I am not one for "respecting others' opinions" at all, make no mistakes, if someone believes something incorrect - or worse - then they need to be corrected. But so much of the hate simmering away like a pot about to boil over is the result of loneliness. The evidence on this is startingly clear. https://www.sciencedirect.com…

Had a chat about this with a friend yesterday. In richer societies you can afford to be alone. This isn't good for tribal beings, humans didn't evolve as lone wolves. Even something as cooking for more than one person involves so much interaction. At the lower end of the global income scale , you can't afford to be alone in your giant house. You might need to share communal goods. Not everyone, but just having a role…

> You work for an anonymous corporation, that does some nonsense you can't even hope to understand, in exchange for currency, to support the basics of your existence.

Dwarf Fortress lever welfare already exists IRL.

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by itsTyrion »

saberience wrote: post #68

I know it's supposed to be fancy and cool looking but this sort of website design where you have to scroll and then the whole screen animates really bothers me. It actually gives me a headache to try and follow it versus normal scrolling behaviour and text. As soon as I start scrolling down and I can't scroll normally and images and text start flying around I feel a disturbing feeling in my head and lose concentratio…

it's even worse on mobile for me: any time there's a full screen animation, the site lags to a crawl – as in, 500ms+ lag spikes and aingle-digit FPS

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by dghlsakjg »

koliber wrote: post #381
dghlsakjg wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A huge distinguishing characteristic is that some of these things come to you, or are found passively, and some of them you seek out. I think that when the ad comes to you, there is a very good chance it has little or no value. Job listings are useful, but I have to seek them out. An event calendar is something I seek out. Product descriptions are only shown to me when I seek details about the product. An ad on the s…

I think you hit the nail on the head - people tend to think of push (outbound) marketing as "ads" while they don't think as much about passive ads. It's true that it's harder to do push / outbound marketing in a way that does not feel annoying. I've seen it done and it seemed like the company was reading my mind in a good constructive way. That's rare though.

It can definitely be done in a way that people don’t mind/accept.

People love movie trailers to the point of seeking out good ones and sharing them. People have come to accept that broadcast media will have ads, but get very annoyed when ads are inserted where they are not expected (ads during an ad break are ok, sports betting ads mid play annoy the shit out of me).

Re: 30 minutes with a stranger

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Post by manapause »

lordnacho wrote: post #115

It's the internet. When you talk to people online, it often descends into pettiness. When you talk to people in the real world, that rarely happens. But it's much easier to talk online, so people get the wrong impression. You should talk to strangers. It's never gone wrong for me. Most people have a warmth and agreeableness that comes out when you are there with them, talking about stuff. There's also the interesting…

Beautifully said. I believe wholeheartedly that in real life, disagreements between two people hinge on an ability to disarm each other through charm and disposition. The less you know someone, and the more they appear to earnestly try to understand you - becoming heated and firing phasers just feels unbecoming; why would I perpetuate personal loneliness or ennui in a moment that is genuinely devoid of it?
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