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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by AngryData »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #371
coldtea wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In certain things it can be better. Singapore might be a state run authoritatively with the same party in power for 60 years, but you're free to walk around at any time without fear of any crime happening to you. Or public projects that "just work" where in the "western liberal" case their deteriorate or are tied up in bureucracy. And life if "you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble" is…

Prevalence of masked gangs (ostensibly a Gestapo, but without uniform or id) kidnapping people in government buildings without police intervening appears (as an outside observer) to be ~100% higher than under recent USA administrations. Are you saying this was already happening, just as much, under Obama, say?

Of course it didn't happen as much, but the fact that we already had active black sites and people getting pulled off the streets and abused at all paved the way towards apathy about its expansion now. If city or state police forces can do such things to random citizens for decades before now, why would we expect federal agencies under the direction of the president and his cabinet to not be able to get away with it too?

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by whoisthemachine »

slightwinder wrote: post #367
specproc wrote: post #335

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Yeah, this is it. I've lived under governments of a variety of different stripes in some very different parts of the world, I've lived in war zones. Day to day life has been more or less the same across all of them. You go shopping, go to work, see friends, have a few beers or maybe a smoke, eat out, go to weddings, birthdays and funerals, play sports. People run businesses, post memes. The way non-OECD, "non-democra…

> I'm not saying everywhere is identical, there's a spectrum. That's the point. You have the same type of problems everywhere, but not the same quantity and quality. But people seem to not care or understand those differences, and weaponize the concepts, instead of looking at the outcome.

> But people seem to not care or understand those differences, and weaponize the concepts, instead of looking at the outcome.

This is politics.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by Liftyee »

skeezyboy wrote: post #355
ecshafer wrote: post #107

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I am not Chinese, my wife is though. I think, at least from my interpretation of it from being in China and having Chinese family, that something like underage drinking is seen more as a family issue, than a legal issue. What stops the 16 year old from drinking? The fact that their friends / family will see them being drunk, and think less of the person and their family. A 16 year old being drunk in public is family…

> but China has very little drunken / raucous public behavior than the west does they were big on the opium, as I recall

> they were big on the opium, as I recall

That's what happens when you get systematically manipulated by the biggest empire in the world smuggling in illegal drugs...

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by Havoc »

bluedevilzn wrote: post #226

I moved from Canada to California for a new job with a mid six figure salary. I had a very difficult time finding a place to rent as I had no credit score. Only places that were available without credit score was a room to share. That was not an option with a cat, wife and kids. Finally, I found a place that was willing to accept the entire year's rent up front. Moving such a large amount of money from Canada to US h…

Amex in general is quite good with this sort of stuff.

Requested a personal card with no credit score and that somehow went through fine despite friends in similar circumstances getting rejected. Best guess is because I had a company issued Amex already they could use that as history

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by stickfigure »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #92

The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…

> The truth is in many countries...day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west.

That's true right up until your infallible dear leader invades your neighboring country, fails, and rapidly starts ratcheting down social controls in a desperate attempt to preserve political stability. I don't think Russians would describe day-to-day life as "mostly similar to the west" anymore. China could be next.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #330
mattnewton wrote: post #178

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> unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west Okay but that is exactly why I would prefer a western liberal government. It is better and that is ideal is worth criticizing authoritarians for, and fighting to keep in the west.

In certain things it can be better. Singapore might be a state run authoritatively with the same party in power for 60 years, but you're free to walk around at any time without fear of any crime happening to you. Or public projects that "just work" where in the "western liberal" case their deteriorate or are tied up in bureucracy. And life if "you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble" is…

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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

bluedevilzn wrote: post #226

I moved from Canada to California for a new job with a mid six figure salary. I had a very difficult time finding a place to rent as I had no credit score. Only places that were available without credit score was a room to share. That was not an option with a cat, wife and kids. Finally, I found a place that was willing to accept the entire year's rent up front. Moving such a large amount of money from Canada to US h…

That's not social credit, that's just credit and it's been around a very long time worldwide. For as long as money has been a thing, people don't let strangers or delinquents borrow it!

Social credit would be like if the government didn't let people lend to you for being a commie or trans. Social credit is not something you can just sort out on the phone.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by idiomat9000 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #371
coldtea wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In certain things it can be better. Singapore might be a state run authoritatively with the same party in power for 60 years, but you're free to walk around at any time without fear of any crime happening to you. Or public projects that "just work" where in the "western liberal" case their deteriorate or are tied up in bureucracy. And life if "you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble" is…

Prevalence of masked gangs (ostensibly a Gestapo, but without uniform or id) kidnapping people in government buildings without police intervening appears (as an outside observer) to be ~100% higher than under recent USA administrations. Are you saying this was already happening, just as much, under Obama, say?

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Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by mbroncano »

betaby wrote: post #281
mettamage wrote: post #231

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Holy moly the US is kafkaesque. Gee. Duly noted. I might be in your position one day in the far future. Will prep for it. Thanks :)

> Holy moly the US is kafkaesque. Not really. Try to rent an apartment in Germany (any EU country really). Canada / USA is a breeze in comparison.

That’s blatantly not true, before or recently. As it is obvious you never relocated to Europe, at least provide a reference to refute.

Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that

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Post by cindyllm »

Liftyee wrote: post #383
skeezyboy wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but China has very little drunken / raucous public behavior than the west does they were big on the opium, as I recall

> they were big on the opium, as I recall That's what happens when you get systematically manipulated by the biggest empire in the world smuggling in illegal drugs...

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