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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by jama211 »

isodev wrote: post #69
jama211 wrote: post #48

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“Boycott” is a pretty strong term. I’m sensing a strong dislike of ai from you which is fine but if you dislike a feature most people like it shouldn’t be surprising to you that you’ll find yourself mostly catered to by more niche editors.

I think it's a pretty good word, let's not forget how LLMs learned about code in the first place... by "stealing" all the snippets they can get their curl hands on.

Ah the classic “I don’t want to acknowledge how right that person is about their point, so instead I’ll ignore what they said and divert attention to another point entirely”.

You’re just angry and adding no value to this conversation because of it

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by foobarchu »

raincole wrote: post #288
orphea wrote: post #274

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> At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific app development. Then they released VSCode and boom! I'm not sure what the point is. Visual Studio is still Windows-only; VS Code is not related to it in any shape or form, the name is deliberately misleading.

The point is MS was so, so, so late to the party of cross-platform developer tools. And then suddenly they won the game.

It really helps that VSCode isn't intrinsically tied to any other Microsoft products. It doesn't demand you use any specific platforms/languages/compilers, it doesn't demand you use GitHub, it runs on all major operating systems in basically the same way, it doesn't demand or even politely ask that you sign into a Microsoft account.

If it weren't for the name, you'd never know it was even a Microsoft product.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

__alexs wrote: post #344
nonethewiser wrote: post #341

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>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI. Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into…

The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.

It's ironic that a song about irony contains no actual examples of irony. But since that's ironic, is it actually an appropriately named song?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by alwillis »

manmal wrote: post #150
alwillis wrote: post #135

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I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

If a bunch of markdown files forced into the context is “knowing”, then yes. They are usually located at /Applications/Xcode-beta.app/Contents/PlugIns/IDEIntelligenceChat.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AdditionalDocumentation You are free to point Claude Code to that folder, or make a slash command that loads their contents. Or, start CC with -p where the prompt is the content of all those files. Claude Code integrat…

No, this isn't a bunch of markdown files, has been in the works since at least May and has been dogfooded inside Apple [1]: "Apple Partners With Anthropic for Claude-Powered AI Coding Platform"

[1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-codi...

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by pac0 »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #276
theshrike79 wrote: post #253

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Anecdotally: Azure is the Teams of cloud services - nobody uses it voluntarily or because it's technically the best solution. They use it because the corporation mandates it.

I’ve used Meet, Slack, Zoom and Teams extensively. Teams beats the others by miles in my opinion.

You are joking right?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by drusepth »

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #21
drusepth wrote: post #11

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Ironically, you could probably vibe code your own.

Do you really think so? Have you ever explored the source of something like: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

I've worked in 3 different WYSIWYG editors for web and desktop applications over the years, lightly contributed to a handful of other open-source editors, and spent plenty of time building my own personal editors from scratch (and am currently using gpt-5 to fix my own human bugs in a rewrite of the Notebook.ai text editor that I re-re-implemented ~8 years ago).

Editors are incredibly complex and require domain knowledge to guide agents toward the correct architecture and implementation (and away from the usual naive pitfalls), but in my experience the latest models reason about and implement features/changes just fine.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by drusepth »

hollowturtle wrote: post #234
adastra22 wrote: post #214

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LLMs are not Xerox machines. They can, in fact, produce better code than is in their training set.

That is funny for how much is wrong. Ask the LLMs to vibe code a text editor and you'll get a React app using Supabase. Engineering !== Token prediction

I think this comment exposes an important point to make: people have different opinions of what "vibe coding" even means. If I were to ask an LLM to vibe code a text editor, I guarantee you I wouldn't get a React app using Supabase -- because I'd give it pages of requirements documentation and tell it not only what I want, but the important decisions on how to make it.

Obviously no model is going to one-shot something like a full text editor, but there's an ocean of difference between defining vibe coding as prompting "Make me a text editor" versus spending days/weeks going back and forth on architecture and implementation with a model while it's implementing things bottom-up.

Both seem like common definitions of the term, but only one of them will _actually_ work here.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by genewitch »

jama211 wrote: post #58
whatevertrevor wrote: post #37

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My hot take is all OSes are kinda bad for daily driving. Apple has no qualms breaking backwards compatibility for core functions like bluetooth connectivity in MacOS. Windows has backwards compatibility, but increasingly worsening UX, throwing ads and subscriptions in your face before you can even log in, and a bad security/process isolation model. Desktop Linux is a case of "how many hours before I find out a critic…

I think they’re pretty amazing considering how hard a problem it is. Also, we forget how bad os’s used to be. They’re absolutely rock solid compared to the past.

Aside: I bought my first battery backup because the only thing that ruined my uptime on Windows NT 4 was power outages. I would have kept on using NT 4 as my desktop OS, but MS wanted to sell more licenses so newer directX was unsupported on NT4. I moved to Windows 2000, then eventually to XP x64 Edition.

I installed and fixed a lot of 95, 98[se], ME, and XP OSes for other people, though. Thousands. I never bothered with any of those OSes on my own machines, though. The first "consumer" OS i used was win 7 Ultimate Edition (signed by Ballmer, natch). I use 11, now, and i'm fine with it. I think it's because i am "grandfathered" in to win11 without a microsoft login; i just mentioned last night that if i had to reinstall windows on this machine, i probably wouldn't, due to that requirement now.

Anyhow all this is to say, hogwash. Windows has been perfect in the past. Time marches on, fruit flies like a banana, and all that.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by yunwal »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #383
__alexs wrote: post #344

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The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.

It's ironic that a song about irony contains no actual examples of irony. But since that's ironic, is it actually an appropriately named song?

The song contains many instances of cosmic irony[0], as well as a few instances of other types of irony (e.g. "Well isn't this nice?").

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Types_of_irony

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