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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by KETHERCORTEX »

foldr wrote: post #363
bko wrote: post #315

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I heard things about UK arresting people for social media posts but thought it was just a few cases cherry picked. But I recently looked up the scale of arrests and it's really insane. Police are arresting over 12,000 people each year for social media posts and other online communications deemed “grossly offensive,” “indecent,” “obscene,” or “menacing.” This averages to around 33 arrests per day. These arrests are pr…

The flip side of this is that convictions under the Communications Act have gone down compared to 2010, so it's a mixed picture: https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/select-communications-off... It is hard to get good data on this, but it is probably a combination of overzealous policing (which is indeed bad) and an increase in arrests for behavior that arguably is a police matter, such as domestic abuse, harassment, e…

> I would not be surprised to discover that there is more online harassment now than there was in 2010.

There is simply more people online now than in 2010.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by nomel »

arealaccount wrote: post #339
speedylight wrote: post #37

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I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

Im sure you will be able to get a passport for digital travel

Funneled through your local government router, where you first have to install certificates and agree to let them MitM.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by nomel »

prmoustache wrote: post #374
oblique wrote: post #312

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Banning VPNs seems effectively impossible. Any ip address can act as a vpn. There are also zero identity providers like mullvad.

I am pretty sure we are slowly but surely heading towards a point where every country will implement its own great firewall and block every website except those in a whitelist approved by the government.

Could they compel Starlink to not offer service there?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by foldr »

KETHERCORTEX wrote: post #381
foldr wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flip side of this is that convictions under the Communications Act have gone down compared to 2010, so it's a mixed picture: https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/select-communications-off... It is hard to get good data on this, but it is probably a combination of overzealous policing (which is indeed bad) and an increase in arrests for behavior that arguably is a police matter, such as domestic abuse, harassment, e…

> I would not be surprised to discover that there is more online harassment now than there was in 2010. There is simply more people online now than in 2010.

That's a good point! The growth in arrests shown in the article I linked starts in 2017, though. I think internet usage has gone up significantly by some measures since 2017, but whether or not that's sufficient to explain the increase in arrests, I am not sure.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by ImJamal »

waltbosz wrote: post #290
ImJamal wrote: post #277

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I assume this doesn't block porn on reddit or non-porn websites?

No, it just blocks DNS requests from a list of porn hostnames.

I understand that. I just wasn't sure if Reddit and co used specific subdomains for porn images/videos.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

saberience wrote: post #254
ramesh31 wrote: post #82

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>It's 15 minutes of fumbling around for the non-technical person, then they're protected. You and I have very different ideas of what "non-technical" means. If it involves anything beyond pressing "download" on the app store, it's out of reach of the vast majority of users.

Mulvad is totally non technical, you just download it and press “connect” and boom you’re on a vpn? Is that really so complex the average person can’t do it? It’s less complex than sending an email.

The instructions I linked are to set up DoH/DoT with their (free!) service, so it's a little bit more involved than downloading an app; just not too much more involved to someone who's motivated to regain something they lost.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by nly »

nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

And the irony is the law itself is encouraging more VPN use, which in turn will allow bypassing of any outright blocks.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by cyanydeez »

sunshine-o wrote: post #52
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

America is like, 2 steps behind with an entire government following

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by boppo1 »

pojzon wrote: post #308
_mlbt wrote: post #252

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Just give up a few more rights…for everyone’s safety. Think of the children!

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Didn't that get investigated, little came of it, and now they won't investigate 'because we did already'?
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