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Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by 3036e4 »

meuman wrote: post #256
mg wrote: post #94

The people at Google seem to think much more like me than the people at Apple. There are 3 primary decisions Google made that click with me, while Apple's choices are a mystery to me: 1: When I put a Pixel on a table, it sits there stable. Because the backside is symmetrical. When I put an iPhone on a table, it wobbles. 2: When I sort my photos on a Pixel, I sort them in folders. The "camera" folder is where the unso…

4: the fact that Android has unified gestures: back, home and tray. Whenever I used iOS, I felt like every single app had a different way of going back somewhere. On Android, this is not an issue at all.

Uh. I used Android for 15 years and I still keep guessing wrong what the back button will do. Feels like 75% of the time it does not lead me back to what I expect and all apps have different ideas what they think it should do. I agree though that not having a back button at all is also not good.

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Post by warkdarrior »

crtasm wrote: post #358
no_wizard wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both iOS and Facetime are super slick and baked into the device. The end user doesn't even have to really know how to the app to use the feature as it were. It shows up on a contact as a button click. Signal does not, even on Android. You have to deliberately use it. That small friction isn't great when you're likely one of few people using it in day to day life of others. FaceTime on the other hand, just works

When I view a contact on Android there are options for Signal message/call/video call. This is on LineageOS.

Does that mean Signal has access to my contacts? So much for privacy!

Re: Pixel 10 Phones

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Post by xenadu02 »

hbn wrote: post #254
zamadatix wrote: post #132

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It's interesting how this type of feedback always comes up for phones yet smaller phones have an extremely hard time actually selling enough units to justify making more of them. It seems part of it may be folks remaining in this group seem much more willing to stick with old devices anyways, helping drive less priority for small sizes on top of already being a smaller market segment. Perhaps there are some other big…

Apple said the mini iPhones underperformed, but they were not some sort of commercial failure. They sold millions of units. Numbers most Android OEMs could only dream of for a single flagship model. Current day Apple is all about optimizing and determined that still wasn't enough, and I imagine the manufacturing for small, specialized display panels certainly took a chunk out of those margins, so Apple decided to pul…

The number of people who aren't vocal tech people who actually want a smaller phone is a very small part of the market. In HN-like circles they're a notable minority but among the general population they are a smaller percentage. Especially when you consider huge segments of the market where your phone is your only computing device: a smaller phone is a massive anti-feature in large parts of the world.

Plus almost everyone who says they want a smaller phone will just buy a larger one anyway.

The sales numbers just don't justify it. Like people who pine for manual transmissions: they're vocal in car forums and publications but they're a tiny minority and making one is a money-loser even in the sports car segment.

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Post by chippiewill »

Disparallel wrote: post #236
somewhatrandom9 wrote: post #167

The tech specs: https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_10_specs?hl=en-US Says it has vpn capabilities..But then there is a footnote: >12. Restrictions apply. Some data is not transmitted through VPN.... See https://g.co/pixel/vpn for details. Does anyone know what data doesn't go through the vpn? On the positive side it lists a 24+ hour battery life!! This is huge for me!! ..but it has a footnote, as well > 6. Bat…

The help section article lists # Data that isn’t protected by the VPN Not all network data from your device is protected by the VPN. Examples of data that aren’t protected by the VPN include: - Tethering traffic - This includes USB and Wi-Fi hotspot. - Push notifications - Wi-Fi calling and other IMS services - Work profile app traffic - This applies if a work profile is configured on your device. - Data traffic from…

I think it might be because push notifications use long-lived connections that are already open when the VPN is turned on.

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Post by 6thbit »

Jabbles wrote: post #106

> For instance, when you're calling an airline, it can automatically find your flight details from your email and display it during your phone call. Is this really the best example usecase they can think of? How often does an individual call an airline? I'm sure in aggregate they get a lot of calls, but I don't think I've ever had to. It just seems really weird that this is the top example of on-device AI. The other…

It is odd that they considered that a common usecase.

Perhaps they really wanted to show a good looking widget and I suppose flight info was the best candidate.

I have had some calls with family or friends about an upcoming flight where this could've saved a few seconds.

Would I want to save a few seconds in exchange for their processing of my whole conversation even if offline? That's another story.

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Post by maples37 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #363
pferde wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to take a gander at this list: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Looks like the list includes those apps that require access to Google Play services - which defeats the entire point of the OP wanting the privacy.

GrapheneOS not only provides a sandbox for Google Play (meaning it's just another app with no special privileges, and you can grant/revoke permissions (including network!) as you desire), it also heavily promotes user profiles for further isolation.

I have a "banking" profile set up with Google Play services installed. 98% of the time I'm using my phone, I'm using the primary Owner profile. All the other profiles are encrypted-at-rest, meaning that until I enter my Banking-profile-specific PIN, the apps and data (including the Google Play Services installed there) are just encrypted files, and unable to do anything at all. (There are provisions for allowing a secondary profile to run in the background, but in this case I have obviously left that disabled.)

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Post by viraptor »

neilv wrote: post #362

> It isn't just a simple crop; Pro Res Zoom uses Tensor G5 and an all-new generative imaging model to intelligently recover and refine intricate details. Unclear what "intelligently recover and refine" means here, and I'd like to make a request of people who might also be unclear yet influenced by this idea... If you build features that sound like this into the image-capturing stage (from the user perspective), and y…

> Unclear what "intelligently recover and refine" means here

Obviously genai upscaling. The details are not there on the original photo.

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

Rohansi wrote: post #379
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #277

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I’d prefer the photo organization behavior you describe, but I don’t want websites to ever be dipping into the local filesystem outside of heavily siloed areas reserved for web apps exclusively. I don’t want the browser to even be capable of it, because regardless of what permissions and security measures are put in place, someone is going to find a way around them. The only exception I can see making for filesystem…

> I don’t want the browser to even be capable of it, because regardless of what permissions and security measures are put in place, someone is going to find a way around them. You surely trust the permissions and security measures your phone provides to apps so what makes browsers worse in this area? Especially if you're using iOS where you only have Apple's web browser available to use.

Intent. Apps can only ever be installed by me, barring complicated exploit chains, while browsers can navigate without any input from me whatsoever. That serves as an extremely narrow funnel that vastly reduces surface area.

This is also why I’m more receptive to installed PWAs being more capable. They’re both on the other side of my intent funnel and assuming a good implementation can’t ever navigate to domains that aren’t that PWA.

Besides that, it’s just annoying for apps to be dressed in browser chrome. On macOS ever since Safari added the ability to install sites as PWAs, I’ve been making heavy use of those just to remove extraneous browser toolbar items and such. I don’t know how people can live with all their web apps in regular browser tabs, I’d go nuts.

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Post by coldtea »

mg wrote: post #94

The people at Google seem to think much more like me than the people at Apple. There are 3 primary decisions Google made that click with me, while Apple's choices are a mystery to me: 1: When I put a Pixel on a table, it sits there stable. Because the backside is symmetrical. When I put an iPhone on a table, it wobbles. 2: When I sort my photos on a Pixel, I sort them in folders. The "camera" folder is where the unso…

>1: When I put a Pixel on a table, it sits there stable. Because the backside is symmetrical. When I put an iPhone on a table, it wobbles

So? Big deal...

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