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Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

AlienRobot wrote: post #377
nine_k wrote: post #241

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(Repeating for umpteenth time:) I wish patent fees were exponential. Pay $10 the first year, $40 the second year, $160 the third year,.. $10,485,760 the tenth year, etc. The patent expires and goes to public domain the first year when the fee has not been not paid. This way there'd be enough time to commercialize an invention for basically peanuts, so the small guy won't be dissuaded from doing so. OTOH holding on a…

Why not make it so there is a limit to how many patents you can hold? So if you have 10 patents, to register an 11th patent you need to release one of the patents you already have.

Who is "you"? The company? The subcompany? The CEO? Each individual employee? Patsy #1281?

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Post by fuzzfactor »

martin-t wrote: post #362
izacus wrote: post #351

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I'm really fascinated about heavy downvotes for your post because it makes a lot of sense. I wonder who the people who show up to defend IP law are in these conversations. Why do it? What's the gain?

Who knows? Votes should be public, otherwise this is an easy way to make opinions less visible without having to provide any justification. Sometimes very similar comments in favor of protecting producers get upvotes on one post and downvotes on another. I also started seeing a pattern - even if a particular comment ends up downvoted in the end, there's usually a few upvotes first, sometimes with comments, then downv…

When you think about it, it really doesn't make much difference if it's a downvote-a-bot or not.

If it acts like a bot, walks like a bot, and quacks like a bot, it might as well be a bot.

Nobody's comments are read only by humans any more.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Post by ninetyninenine »

dvdkon wrote: post #375
ninetyninenine wrote: post #331

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They want Taiwan. That's for sure. But they don't want war. War is a last resort action they will go to, to get Taiwan. But war with the US? They don't want it and are trying to avoid it at all costs. Taiwan is none of the US's business right? The war here is in actuality really just the US starting it. The US in the end will have to make a choice here. Do we fuck with China and Taiwan or do we not? So in short. They…

Do you mean they don't "want war with the US "? Because right now you seem to be saying that China "doesn't want war, they just want to annex another sovereign country". Likewise, I wouldn't describe having defensive allies as "trying to start war". That's starting to sound like the Russian "we're only bombing them because they didn't immediately surrender, so it's their fault" school of thought.

>Do you mean they don't "want war with the US"? Because right now you seem to be saying that China "doesn't want war, they just want to annex another sovereign country".

From Chinas point of view it's not another sovereign country. But from the US pov, it's a pawn they can use to fuck with China as much as possible to stop the ascendency to power. Also the US doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country. They never fucking did.

>Likewise, I wouldn't describe having defensive allies as "trying to start war". That's starting to sound like the Russian "we're only bombing them because they didn't immediately surrender, so it's their fault" school of thought.

Taiwan was never an ally. I'm Taiwanese. I know. The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about Taiwan. Like I said the UN and the US never recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country and the US has NOT promised to back Taiwan in the event of a take over.

Two things America cares about: Technology and Power. So right now you're busy extracting OUR technology by making us build unprofitable chip factories on your soil AND you're refusing to allow China to have that technology as well. It is WELL KNOWN among taiwanese people that the US factories are fucking useless from a profit perspective.

Either way. War is not possible. If China and the US go to war, rest assured if the China starts losing, they're going to prevent loss by slaughtering everyone in DC with a nuclear bomb. The losing country in it's desperation will turn to nukes. Even the US can do that. Imagine Chinese troops at the doorstep of the whitehouse, what will trump do? Nuke half of China that's what.

So war technically won't happen. Nobody in actuallity wants it. It's all sabre rattling.

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Post by WillAdams »

rcarmo wrote: post #371
WillAdams wrote: post #58

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As a person who chose to buy an Elegoo Centauri Carbon rather than upgrade his Ordbot Quantum w/ a heated bed and enclosure and to then try to re-design it to use a CoreXY motion system, I would agree that is exactly the path which we are on --- the new printer came in at a lower price than just the initial parts order for heated bed and enclosure, let alone a different motion system. All of the printers which I want…

They also seem to have major bugs, maybe even some serious security issues: https://www.reddit.com/r/elegoo/comments/1mbhnmn/centauri_ca...

That's why I've only been printing to mine using a USB stick and it's not on my network.

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Post by tonyhart7 »

dralley wrote: post #196
tonyhart7 wrote: post #152

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"There are some pretty big cracks underneath the surface" they are just as vulnerable as western counterpart has, I can assure you that just media narrative that make it overblown. Yes western can sanction them and hurt them but they also hurt western economy in the process

I'm not referring to sanctions or tariffs. I'm referring to inefficient resource allocation, debt, unsustainably low margins, companies not making any profit, etc.

but its just trade off, they know what they are doing

in return of macro and focused economic growth in key strategic areas. in the long run they would win

CCP has many criticsm, but waste and ineffecient isnt one of them

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

MobiusHorizons wrote: post #286
unethical_ban wrote: post #227

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I was thinking a snarky thought reading another comment in the chain: "DJI and Anker aren't Chinese brands, because they're good and they have brand reputation". "Chinese" in my ape brain is Harbor Freight junk, or cheap houseware from Amazon with names like "KRLFOCGY".

Honestly, even harbor freight has some pretty good tools these days. They do have disposable level crap, but even one level above that is quite serviceable.

I honestly believe Harbor Freight toolboxes are the best value on the market

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperbovine wrote: post #126
Workaccount2 wrote: post #78

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The Chinese stuff is now more often than not better. You cannot be the world's manufacturer for 30 years and not get good at making stuff.

It's the exact same thing that happened with Japanese cars. Believe it or not, Japanese autos used to be considered cheap junk in the 70s and early 80s.

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Post by oblio »

lunar-whitey wrote: post #142
megaloblasto wrote: post #79

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I have a feeling that soon, proprietary software won't be a business moat at all. No mater the complexity of your software, it will be too easy to replicate. That could be a good thing for open source. One way of staying ahead of your competition is to control the most popular open source repo.

Proprietary software has not been a business moat for decades. The moats are their complements: hardware, networks and protocols (including humans), data and formats.

True, but that hasn't stopped big companies from not open sourcing the crown jewels, just for good measure.

Apple post 2011 has never open sourced their UI toolkits, Google has never open sourced their search engine, etc.

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Post by tstrimple »

alnwlsn wrote: post #74
conorbergin wrote: post #44

If you are a hobbyist or small business in desktop manufacturing you are basically forced to buy Chinese products. I have never owned a Prusa, but I have owned several Creality and Bambu Labs printers, because I could get the same utility at half the cost. The same goes for soldering irons, linear actuators, oscillscopes, etc. I still buy European hand tools (Knipex, Wera, etc) because I know they won't break in a ye…

Chinese stuff these days has pulled far ahead of the Harbor Freight reputation of my youth. I can't remember the last time I've seen a proper "Engrish" instruction manual, most of the things are well designed and well built. Meanwhile, the "good old American brands" seem to just be selling out for cheaper and better profit margin products, so you'll be ending up with Chinese stuff anyways, which is sometimes worse th…

I came across this[1] recently. It compares a Harbor Freight Icon ratchet ($70) to a Snap-On ratchet ($195). They are essentially using the same design and same parts. The Snap-On replacement part kit fits inside an Icon ratchet. Oh and the Icon is performs better than the Snap-On for a fraction of the price. The Gearwrench ratchet ($45) was even more impressive as it's only slightly worse than either of the others and not necessarily in ways most people will ever experience.

Some brands of cheap tools are getting really fucking good. There's still a lot of garbage out there though.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBItmykqu0I

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Post by oblio »

dizlexic wrote: post #134
bdcravens wrote: post #28

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Capitalism, at least the American version of it, has a rich history of ignoring property rights, labor laws and ethics, regulations, etc. If anything, China has, and is, out-Westernizing the Western countries.

I really love takes like this. Talk about China as an emerging power in the 21st century while excusing them using tactics from the 19th. 10/10

I don't think China is necessarily being excused, but even immoral actions can draw admiration, due to the sheer complexity and brazeness, especially considering that on paper, the groups these actions are being done to are not groups of toddlers, they're equality aggressive countries themselves, historically.
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