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Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by Applejinx »

ted_bunny wrote: post #299
catigula wrote: post #101

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GPT-5 still has a terrible personality. "Yeah -- some bullshit " still feels like trash as the presentation is of a friendly person rather than an unthinking machine, which it is. The false presentation of humanness is a huge problem.

I feel strongly about this. LLMs should not try to write like humans. Computer voices should sound robotic. And when we have actual androids walking around, they should stay on the far side of the uncanny valley. People are already anthropomorphizing them too much.

It can't, though. It's language. We don't have a body of work constituting robots talking to each other in words. Hardly fair to ask LLMs not to write like humans when humans constructed everything they're built on.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by 0x457 »

aatd86 wrote: post #371
klik99 wrote: post #338

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Is that GPT5? Reddit users are freaking out about losing 4o and AFAICT it's because 5 doesn't stroke their ego as hard as 4o. I feel there are roughly two classes of heavy LLM users - one who use it like a tool, and the other like a therapist. The latter may be a bigger money maker for many LLM companies so I worry GPT5 will be seen as a mistake to them, despite being better for research/agent work.

LLMs definitely have personalities. And changing ones at that. gemini free tier was great for a few days but lately it keeps gaslighting me even when it is wrong (which has become quite often on the more complex tasks). To the point I am considering going back to claude. I am cheating on my llms. :D edit: I realize now and find important to note that I haven't even considered upping the gemini tier. I probably should…

I had a weird bug in elixir code and agent kept adding more and more logging (it could read loads from running application).

Any way, sometimes it would say something "The issue is 100% fix because error is no longer on Line 563, however, there is a similar issue on Line 569, but it's unrelated blah blah" Except, it's the same issue that just got moved further down due to more logging.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by shmel »

virtue3 wrote: post #347
klik99 wrote: post #338

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Is that GPT5? Reddit users are freaking out about losing 4o and AFAICT it's because 5 doesn't stroke their ego as hard as 4o. I feel there are roughly two classes of heavy LLM users - one who use it like a tool, and the other like a therapist. The latter may be a bigger money maker for many LLM companies so I worry GPT5 will be seen as a mistake to them, despite being better for research/agent work.

We should all be deeply worried about gpt being used as a therapist. My friend told me he was using his to help him evaluate how his social interactions went (and ultimately how to get his desired outcome) and I warned him very strongly about the kind of bias it will creep into with just "stroking your ego" - There's already been articles on people going off the deep end in conspiracy theories etc - because the ai ke…

You are saying this as if people (yes, including therapists) don't do this. Correctly configured LLM not only easily argues with you, but also provides a glimpse into an emotional reality of people who are not at all like you. Does it "stroke your ego" as well? Absolutely. Just correct for this.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by flkiwi »

jjoonathan wrote: post #306
NohatCoder wrote: post #277

This is such a useful feature. I'm fairly well versed in cryptography. A lot of other people aren't, but they wish they were, so they ask their LLM to make some form of contribution. The result is high level gibberish. When I prod them about the mess, they have to turn to their LLM to deliver a plausibly sounding answer, and that always begins with "You are absolutely right that [thing I mentioned]". So then I don't…

ChatGPT opened with a "Nope" the other day. I'm so proud of it. https://chatgpt.com/share/6896258f-2cac-800c-b235-c433648bf4...

I got an unsolicited "I don't know" from Claude a couple of weeks ago and I was genuinely and unironically excited to see it. Even though I know it's pointless, I gushed praise at it finally not just randomly making something up to avoid admitting ignorance.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by lazide »

miroljub wrote: post #337
lazide wrote: post #292

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You’re likely thinking of calves. Cows (though admittedly ambiguous! But usually adult female bovines) do not drink milk. It’s insidious isn’t it?

So, this joke works only for natives who know that calf is not cow.

Well, it works because by some common usages, a calf is a cow.

Many people use cow to mean all bovines, even if technically not correct.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by pronik »

I'm not mad about "You're absolutely right!" by itself. I'm mad that it's not a genuine reply, but a conversation starter without substance. Most of the time it's like:

Me: The flux compensator doesn't seem to work

Claude: You're absolutely right! Let me see whether that's true...

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by jjoonathan »

klik99 wrote: post #338
jjoonathan wrote: post #306

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ChatGPT opened with a "Nope" the other day. I'm so proud of it. https://chatgpt.com/share/6896258f-2cac-800c-b235-c433648bf4...

Is that GPT5? Reddit users are freaking out about losing 4o and AFAICT it's because 5 doesn't stroke their ego as hard as 4o. I feel there are roughly two classes of heavy LLM users - one who use it like a tool, and the other like a therapist. The latter may be a bigger money maker for many LLM companies so I worry GPT5 will be seen as a mistake to them, despite being better for research/agent work.

No, that was 4o. Agreed about factual prompts showing less sycophancy in general. Less-factual prompts give it much more of an opening to produce flattery, of course, and since these models tend to deliver bad news in the time-honored "shit sandwich" I can't help but wonder if some people also get in the habit of consuming only the "slice of bread" to amplify the effect even further. Scary stuff!

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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Post by catigula »

Applejinx wrote: post #381
ted_bunny wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel strongly about this. LLMs should not try to write like humans. Computer voices should sound robotic. And when we have actual androids walking around, they should stay on the far side of the uncanny valley. People are already anthropomorphizing them too much.

It can't, though. It's language. We don't have a body of work constituting robots talking to each other in words. Hardly fair to ask LLMs not to write like humans when humans constructed everything they're built on.

These models are purposely made to sound more 'friendly' through RLHF
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