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Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Yeah, I wouldn't consider any HDHP (High-Deductable Healthcare Plan) to be "good insurance".

It is when you take into account the tax advantages of an HSA. If you're like me and can shake off a few grand medical expense out of pocket, suddenly it's the best plan. I have a HDHP and paid less than $10k all year for my family's medical expenses and we had a freaking baby lol.

> tax advantages of an HSA

The minuscule tax advantage here is that 1. you're paying for your health care costs with pre-tax dollars, but you can generally still deduct these even without an HSA, so +0 advantage there, and 2. you are allowed to invest the savings, and gains are not taxed at the federal level (but may be taxed at the state level), so the advantage here is your savings account size x your effective tax rate. The premiums for a HDHP also tend to be slightly less than PPO or other plans.

For most of us that tax advantage is tiny. I would rather have an insurance plan that actually covered my costs minus a copay, even better one without a copay, even better Medicare For All where I don't even have to worry about an insurance company or pay insurance premiums. HDHP + HSA is pretty much the worst of the bunch.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Americans confuse need with 'nice to have' which leads to the "I don't have money for food/rent/hc" problem. You do not need cable tv or home internet. You do not need an iPhone or top end Samsung. There are many mid-range Android phones much cheaper that can add a MVNO phone plan for around $20/mo that has more than enough data for necessary internet. Key word: necessary. OTA HDTV is available to many millions at th…

The people I know who can't afford food or housing don't lease their cars (nor have they ever bought a car that was less than 5 years old) nor own a house, so I think we are considering a very different class of people.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Exactly! The big supermarkets have tomatoes that look perfect, but taste like wax. The Asian groceries have lumpy odd-colored tomatoes that actually taste good.

We've had a garden and orchard for most years for quite some time now (several decades) and this is one of the most stark and interesting things I've observed as well. Garden produce is nearly always smaller, lumpy-looking, and by appearances alone looks to be quite inferior. However, they taste great compared to those "perfect" veggies and fruits in the grocery stores. In mid-winter when the home-grown produce is go…

I've recently had some of the best strawberries and it costs $1/each. Grown in the same city I live in: in fact Google Maps says the distance between the grocery store and the strawberry farm is four miles.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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I'd drop the HOA first, I sure as _hell_ don't need one of those.

HOAs come with the house. You can't just cancel them like you can cancel your netflix subscription.

Depends on the jurisdiction and state / local laws. HOA enforceability can vary from "that's cute" to lien on a house.

Personally, I think the only thing worse than bad neighbors is any neighbors pretending they're lawyers.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Americans confuse need with 'nice to have' which leads to the "I don't have money for food/rent/hc" problem. You do not need cable tv or home internet. You do not need an iPhone or top end Samsung. There are many mid-range Android phones much cheaper that can add a MVNO phone plan for around $20/mo that has more than enough data for necessary internet. Key word: necessary. OTA HDTV is available to many millions at th…

This is anecdotal but here is the truth: I have a home that I bought around 20 years ago in Cali, and the HOA tripled during that time and is now rapidly approaching $700/mo. And that's with less benefits since we lost the earthquake insurance. And not to mention the special assessments that started showing up in 2025. You could make all sort of assumptions, but there is nothing special about the community.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Americans confuse need with 'nice to have' which leads to the "I don't have money for food/rent/hc" problem. You do not need cable tv or home internet. You do not need an iPhone or top end Samsung. There are many mid-range Android phones much cheaper that can add a MVNO phone plan for around $20/mo that has more than enough data for necessary internet. Key word: necessary. OTA HDTV is available to many millions at th…

Lazy Americans conflate anecdotes with reality. Make sure to hit the tropes though. The poor person with a Starbucks cup. The 'leased BMW bros are financial idiots'. The iPhone you have no idea where the person got (my son get's them as a christmas gift from his auntie). The cable bill (who under 50 has cable TV? What year is this post from?). At best old boy discovered that human beings make inconsistent financial d…

No you see, the poors are bad people and deserve to be poor.

OP identified say $2000 in annual luxuries. If they lived a completely ascetic lifestyle free of wants, that would put them 0.4% closer to buying that $500k house on their $40k annual salary.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Did everyone just forget what it was like before Obamacare? Apparently you didn’t know anyone excluded for pre-existing conditions Obamacare also mandated coverage for basic care like your annual physical and many mental health conditions. It’s not perfect, but I guess it’s been long enough that people are forgetting how bad the situation was before.

as someone with a pre-existing condition (that I didn't ask for), Obamacare was such a huge relief. Before I got into tech I was teaching guitar lessons and really enjoying things. My condition requires more than a once a year physical and my specialist got on me about not having health insurance because we weren't able to get the full panel of bloodwork done. I was routinely denied healthcare because of the conditio…

Same here, but without a known pre-existing condition. Before Obamacare, health insurance companies would not even write me a policy, and they would not tell me why. Just "nope, go away". So every day, I was rolling the dice, hoping to not get seriously injured or sick. The problem with Obamacare is it didn't go far enough, the insurance companies stuck around like barnacles, leeching off the medical industry, with the government mandating we do business with them and they do business with us. I say scrap the whole lot of them.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Yeah, I wouldn't consider any HDHP (High-Deductable Healthcare Plan) to be "good insurance".

Why not? Do you expect to not pay any part of your normal, expected annual heath care costs? Insurance is for unexpected expenses that (a) you cannot foresee and (b) would be catastrophic to your finances. Thinks like major storm or fire damage to your house. A car accident that results in a total loss or worse, liability for someone's injuries. Your annual physical, eye exam, and dental hygiene vists, and other rout…

What we have in the US is the opposite of insurance; the insurance companies tend to pay for normal health-care and then suddenly find a reason to not pay when something catastrophic happens.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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The end result of this logic is that poverty must exist for society to function and I just don’t accept that.

Poverty isn't hard to solve because "society needs it" but because it is a statistically likely outcome. If you live in a world where everyone has $100, and every day, each person randomly gives $1 to a random another person, you end up with a highly unequal society within a year.

I mean it's necessary to have some system to allocate jobs and resources. Someone has to do the shit work, and someone has to do the easy work, and there are jobs that it's probably not worth paying someone properly to do in their current form.

Periodically I like to imagine how much it would cost for someone doing a traditionally low paid job to get paid a wage I would accept and if I'd still consider the service worth it. Crunch some numbers on how much housecleaning would cost if each worker had to get paid $100,000 annually with 10 days PTO and weekends (or two other days weekly) off working 8 hour days, or gardening, or childcare.

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