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I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by akimbostrawman »

ako wrote: post #312
zdragnar wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, "we didn't review your CV" is a great way to get sued in the US if the name of the applicant is in any way potentially indicative of the applicant's gender, race, religion, or any other protected status.

And we now see a lot of proof that that is warranted: lots of people in the US are now openly racist and/or have other prejudices. It is fair to assume many people don’t get a fair chance because of this.

Yes, there even exist whole department, organizations and industries of people for the sole purposes of hiring people based on race, sex and other non work related characteristics rather than merit which is the very definition of discrimination.

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Post by immibis »

zamalek wrote: post #222
ArcHound wrote: post #125

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I agree with the spirit of this comment, but I worry about the implementation. See the comment of Manly read in this section. Once the threat of payment approaches, you can just switch to a free fork. A single person can't really win a trial against a big, well-funded company.

If the license were copyleft forking would not be a solution.

Fails the desert island test then.

But maybe that's fine. The world is different from 1980's. Different license approaches are needed and Richard Stallman is not God.

Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by immibis »

yubblegum wrote: post #328
mystraline wrote: post #282

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> Are you telling the management of this outfit never looked into this phenomena? To counter, I think that HN is being used as a testcase to shove techbro and VC ideology across all of tech. And secondly, its some of the most potent tech market research. Its a textsearch goldmine. I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. I'm guessing you're not in the VC or founder club.…

> I believe YC knew what they were doing, and intentionally chose this course of action. Seems plausible. They certainly are not dummies. They just have a different 'value system'. So, yeah. (Thanks for lobsters tip. til.)

How do you get an account though...

Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by immibis »

yubblegum wrote: post #164
ArcHound wrote: post #127

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Is it short term? Seems like the MS and the others got exactly what they wanted. Exploiting the passion for free work is a trade that will keep happening as long as there are passionate inexperienced people.

Sorry but have to call b.s. here. Many of us did in fact, in this very forum, kept pointing out that dumping on GPL (and the man and his ideas behind it) was a mistake and that non-gpl oss was for chumps. And we were greyed to oblivion. Same exact story as with surveillance tech. Hackernews is hugely responsible for many of the ailments of this field in 21st century. Own it.

HN sentiment is still the same today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44810780 although the comment isn't greyed yet.

According to HN, it's literally impossible to use GPL software and any sentiment against corporations is communist brainwashing.

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Post by immibis »

brabel wrote: post #319
ironman1478 wrote: post #262

I don't know if this is a good opinion, but I don't think it's a good idea for independent individuals to use highly permissive licenses on their open source software. Companies will just suck it up and might not contribute back. It distorts the market because if the software didn't exist, they'd have to hire people, contract it out, etc. somebody would get paid. you've saved a huge company from having to hire people…

Excellent point. If you really want to make your project open out of the goodness of your heart, then use GPL. Otherwise you are explicitly giving any business, no matter how big or wealthy, permission to use it with no expectation of giving anything back. The license says that quite clearly. It says nothing about rewarding the author.

To be clear, so is GPL, but it puts minimum requirements on distribution, which only a literal money vulture would be opposed to. It doesn't hurt any actual people to use AGPL instead of MIT.

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Post by BSVogler »

zero_shift wrote: post #70
krzkaczor wrote: post #67

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How so? Care to elaborate? I get that bloggers/educators can sometimes be not the best fit for IC roles but doing open source seems like a huge advantage.

It might be similar to how employers dislike hiring entrepreneurs. People who already have a career bigger than their job

It does not even have to be successful. After getting repeated feedback about my strengths as an entrepreneur and how it is not a good fit for that position, I am now toning that down a lot. YC advertises that funding a company is always good career choice because even if you fail it will be good in your CV. But my experience so far is that many companies see it as a red flag.

Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by hellofriendss »

Well, if that's the case, the author should become an AI scientist. Top experts earn around $300 million working for companies like Google and Facebook. As a regular software engineer, you could only earn enough to pay some basic bills and survive from month to month. It's even worse in Europe: as a top software engineer in Germany, your salary will not even reach that of an unqualified floor tiler.

Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by philipallstar »

ako wrote: post #312
zdragnar wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, "we didn't review your CV" is a great way to get sued in the US if the name of the applicant is in any way potentially indicative of the applicant's gender, race, religion, or any other protected status.

And we now see a lot of proof that that is warranted: lots of people in the US are now openly racist and/or have other prejudices. It is fair to assume many people don’t get a fair chance because of this.

> lots of people in the US are now openly racist and/or have other prejudices

Thankfully these institutionalised prejudices are being combatted. E.g. [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...

Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by [deleted] »

oniony wrote: post #107
krzkaczor wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Care to elaborate? I get that bloggers/educators can sometimes be not the best fit for IC roles but doing open source seems like a huge advantage.

Some companies want subservient, homogenous employees that come in, do work, and can be let go if they do not perform. That's a simple equation. If you get in somebody who is a star, however minor, that changes the equation, changes the dynamic. Now that person can have more confidence, can have more sway in the decision making. If the company wants to let them go, then they might post a message to their followers, r…

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Re: I gave the AI arms and legs then it rejected me

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Post by justanotherjoe »

I'm conflicted about this. On one hand i sympathize. On the other hand, it's really up to them who to hire. All the 'shoulds' discussed here are really just your assumptions, albeit very reasonable ones. Yeah it's really tough. You can't force someone to like you, they kinda have the prerogative.

This reminds me of better call saul where hamlin paid millions of dollars out of his own pocket just to not have Chuck working at HHM anymore. Which by his own words was the greatest legal mind he ever met. Sometimes people's principles work against you. And you don't have any moral ground to challenge that.

On the other hand, this attention might be working in your favor though.

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