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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by sillyfluke »

graemep wrote: post #364
victorbjorklund wrote: post #319

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Given the numbers who voted for Hamas I guess its a pretty high proportion. I think (from the perspective of having lived in a country undergoing a civil war for many years) one of the problems the West has in dealing with issues like this is that people imagine that there is a bad side to oppose, and a good side you want to win. Very often the impacts on societies of lengthy conflicts means that there are no clear g…

>Given the numbers who voted for Hamas

You mean of course, 20 years ago in 2006 when the last election was held in Gaza. In which they didn't even manage to break 50% I might add and with the Israeli government's blessing as Netanyahu was fond of boasting before Oct 7th --- a far lower number than the number of Israelis that still support the IDF's current military actions.

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Post by hersko »

slt2021 wrote: post #288
tim333 wrote: post #271

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In London there are pretty much daily pro Palestinian protests, not much for the other side.

could it be because advocating for the live-streamed genocide is not popular as one might think ?

You people would have been calling the US's war with Germany and Japan in WWII a genocide as well if there was social media.

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Post by Adverblessly »

js8 wrote: post #315
Adverblessly wrote: post #246

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A one-state solution will just result in a civil war, followed swiftly by an actual genocide (i.e. 5,000,000+ dead).

They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states. Look at my proposal above. War didn't happen in postapartheid JAR, despite everybody saying it would. What would people fight for, after all? They are all citizens of the same (biethnic) country, that's the perspective the world "leaders" should bring to the table. You need to bring some argument.

> They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states.

Okay, so in your opinion, there is exactly one state that is currently engaged in a civil war. How would world leaders telling them "You are actually one country engaged in a civil war" stop that war?

The Jewish minority in that case would not accept living in a muslim arab state since they consider Israel to be the sole refuge for jews in the world, the only place in the world where they don't have to be a minority. The muslim arab majority would not accept a jewish minority living within them, they consider them foreign colonialists that need to be purged (and you may have heard of one or two groups currently leading those muslim arabs that have that exact official position).

> You need to bring some argument.

When Israel was "a single biethnic country" this was the norm: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre (picked as an example because of the "humour" of having to disambiguate it from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks ) no one thinks going back to that is viable.

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Post by hersko »

pphysch wrote: post #289
hliyan wrote: post #258

I'm glad this is being discussed on HN instead of getting flagged. If we're intellectually curious, then we need to be curious about phenomena that defy explanation and events that may define the future course of our civiliazation. I think what's happening in Gaza/Palestine/Israel counts as both. It certainly defies explanation in my mind. To me, simply labeling somone as "evil" not feels like a premature termination…

> Why does X do evil things? What is happening is definitely "evil" in its purest form, but there are many contributing explanations that don't rely on circular reasoning. - long-term geopolitical goals of "the West" in the middle east - a culture defined by a noxious combination of victim complex + ethnoreligious superiority - a society pampered by foreign financial and military aid (not having to stand on its own)…

Your middle two points apply to the Palestinians more than the Israelis IMHO.

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Post by tguvot »

mardifoufs wrote: post #187
jojobas wrote: post #51

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If they were 10% as bad as their opposition Gaza would have been Arab-free for decades now.

They have been settling the only territory that actually stopped the armed struggle against Israel. The West Bank has literally kicked out Hamas, stopped fighting for years, and given up their arms for the most part. And Israel has been relentlessly colonizing them since then, as a show of good faith I guess. The Palestinians there have absolutely 0 recourse, and will eventually lose all of their home land. But I'm s…

Actually hamas, pij and other organizations are alive and kicking in West Bank. There are areas that PA doesn't control because of them. Last year PA tried to deal with them, failed and called in Israel in order to take out hamas. PA in West Bank exists only because Israeli military supports it.

Also there is non stop attempts (some successful and some not) to execute terror attacks from West Bank. It just never appears in Western media

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Post by hersko »

slt2021 wrote: post #250
nashashmi wrote: post #94

For the record, A previous story of this got flagged into oblivion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44721604

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Because i don't think HN should be discussing politics I must be getting paid by Israel. Really?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Gud wrote: post #313
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #268

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> it seems to me that there is an equal amount of people cheering the settlers as there are people against what they're doing Speaking out of my ass here. But I’d guess most people don’t care. A minority cheers. A minority protests. Most go on with their lives.

No offense, but why would you speak about a topic you know little about?

> why would you speak about a topic you know little about?

I have knowledge about adjacent topics. I add the caveat in case someone has a source that substantiates or refutes my hypothesis because I’m more interested in learning

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Post by me_me_me »

swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

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Post by tsol »

pc86 wrote: post #164
reverendsteveii wrote: post #120

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we're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.

The vast majority of the government are full-time employees without any express political allegiance aside from whatever they happen to personally believe. I doubt they are "deeply ideologically aligned with...domestic terrorism" and most of them would probably physically assault you for suggesting they agreed with domestic terrorists in person.

Government employees don't have their own political alliances? Have you seen the american government anytime in the past 10 years? That's a very strange argument considering it's a commonly discussed issue in the current american political climate.
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