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Re: Study mode

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Post by hammyhavoc »

jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

There might not be any stupid questions, but there's plenty of perfectly confident stupid answers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/s/Wqc8XGKT5h

Re: Study mode

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Post by bangaladore »

SalariedSlave wrote: post #341
simonw wrote: post #198

I think I got the system prompt out for this (I tried a few different approaches and they produced the same output): https://gist.github.com/simonw/33d5fb67d6b8e1b1e2f6921ab0ccb... Representative snippet: > DO NOT GIVE ANSWERS OR DO HOMEWORK FOR THE USER. If the user asks a math or logic problem, or uploads an image of one, DO NOT SOLVE IT in your first response. Instead: *talk through* the problem with the user, one…

I'd be interested to see, what results one would get, using that prompt with other models. Is there much more to ChatGPT Study Mode than a specific system prompt? Although I am not a student, I have used similar prompts to dive into topics I wish to learn, with I feel, positive results indeed. I shall give this a go with a few models.

I just tried in AI Studio (https://aistudio.google.com/) where you can for free use 2.5 Pro and edit the system prompt and it did very well.

Re: Study mode

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Post by hammyhavoc »

fakedang wrote: post #191
tsumnia wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT can be beneficial for making your initial assessment, but you'll need to dig deeper for something meaningful. For example, I recently used Gemini's Deep Research to do some literature review on educational Color Theory in relation to PowerPoint presentations [1]. I know both areas rather well, but I wanted to have some links between the two for some research that I am currently doing. I'd say that companies like G…

Taking a Gemini Deep Research output and feeding it to NotebookLM to create audio overviews is my current podcast go-to. Sometimes I do a quick Google and add in a few detailed but overly verbose documents or long form YouTube videos, and the result is better than 99% of the podcasts out there, including those by some academics.

No wonder there are so many confident people spouting total rubbish on technical forums.

Re: Study mode

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Post by GenericPoster »

findingMeaning wrote: post #159

I have a question: Why do we even bother to learn if AI is going to solve everything for us? If the promised and fabled AGI is about to approach, what is the incentive or learning to deal with these small problems? Could someone enlighten me? What is the value of knowledge work?

The world is a vastly easier place to live in when you're knowledgeable. Being knowledgeable opens doors that you didn't even know existed. If you're both using the same AGI tool, being knowledgeable allows you to solve problems within your domain better and faster than an amateur. You can describe your problems with more depth and take into considerations various pros and cons.

You're also assuming that AGI will help you or us. It could just as easily only help a select group of people and I'd argue that this is the most likely outcome. If it does help everybody and brings us to a new age, then the only reason to learn will be for learning's sake. Even if AI makes the perfect novel, you as a consumer still have to read it, process it and understand it. The more you know the more you can appreciate it.

But right now, we're not there. And even if you think it's only 5-10y away instead of 100+, it's better to learn now so you can leverage the dominant tool better than your competition.

Re: Study mode

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Post by hammyhavoc »

terabyterex wrote: post #291
no_wizard wrote: post #49

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>Now, everyone basically has a personal TA, ready to go at all hours of the day This simply hasn't been my experience. Its too shallow. The deeper I go, the less it seems to be useful. This happens quick for me. Also, god forbid you're researching a complex and possibly controversial subject and you want it to find reputable sources or particularly academic ones.

This can happen if you use the free model and not a paid deep research model. You can use a gpt model and ask things like , "how many moons does Jupiter have?" But if you want to ask, "can you go on the web a research the affects that chamical a has had on our water supply a cite sources?", you will need to use a deep research model.

Why not do the research yourself rather than risk it misinterpreting? I FAFO'd repeatedly with that, and it is just horribly unreliable.

Re: Study mode

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Post by jychang »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #381
jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

There might not be any stupid questions, but there's plenty of perfectly confident stupid answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/s/Wqc8XGKT5h

Yeah, this is why wikipedia is not a good resource and nobody should use it. Also why google is not a good resource, anybody can make a website.

You should only trust going into a library and reading stuff from microfilm. That's the only real way people should be learning.

/s

Re: Study mode

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Post by zvmaz »

jacobedawson wrote: post #379

An underrated quality of LLMs as study partner is that you can ask "stupid" questions without fear of embarrassment. Adding in a mode that doesn't just dump an answer but works to take you through the material step-by-step is magical. A tireless, capable, well-versed assistant on call 24/7 is an autodidact's dream. I'm puzzled (but not surprised) by the standard HN resistance & skepticism. Learning something online 5…

The fear of asking stupid questions is real, especially if one has had a bad experience with humiliating teachers or professors. I just recently saw a video of a professor subtly shaming and humiliating his students for answering questions to his own online quiz. He teaches at a prestigious institution and has a book that has a very good reputation. I stopped watching his video lectures.

Re: Study mode

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Post by hammyhavoc »

jychang wrote: post #386
hammyhavoc wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There might not be any stupid questions, but there's plenty of perfectly confident stupid answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/s/Wqc8XGKT5h

Yeah, this is why wikipedia is not a good resource and nobody should use it. Also why google is not a good resource, anybody can make a website. You should only trust going into a library and reading stuff from microfilm. That's the only real way people should be learning. /s

Ah yes, the thing that told people to administer insulin to someone experiencing hypoglycemia (likely fatal BTW) is nothing like a library or Google search, because people blindly believe the output because of the breathless hype.

See Dunning-Kruger.

Re: Study mode

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Post by slt2021 »

9dev wrote: post #317
kenjackson wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The deeper I go, the less it seems to be useful. This happens quick for me. Also, god forbid you're researching a complex and possibly controversial subject and you want it to find reputable sources or particularly academic ones.” These things also apply to humans. A year or so ago I thought I’d finally learn more about the Israeli/Palestinians conflict. Turns out literally every source that was recommended to me by…

> Turns out literally every source that was recommended to me by some reputable source was considered completely non-credible by another reputable one. That’s the single most important lesson by the way, that this conflict just has two different, mutually exclusive perspectives, and no objective truth (none that could be recovered FWIW). Either you accept the ambiguity, or you end up siding with one party over the ot…

the truth (aka facts) is objective and facts exist.

The problem is selective memory of these facts, and biased interpretation of those facts, and stretching the truth to fit pre-determined opinion

Re: Study mode

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Post by mptest »

mkagenius wrote: post #240
simonw wrote: post #198

I think I got the system prompt out for this (I tried a few different approaches and they produced the same output): https://gist.github.com/simonw/33d5fb67d6b8e1b1e2f6921ab0ccb... Representative snippet: > DO NOT GIVE ANSWERS OR DO HOMEWORK FOR THE USER. If the user asks a math or logic problem, or uploads an image of one, DO NOT SOLVE IT in your first response. Instead: *talk through* the problem with the user, one…

I wish each LLM provider would add "be short and not verbose" to their system prompts. I am a slow reader, it takes a toll on me to read through every non-important detail whenever I talk to an AI. The way they render everything so fast gives me an anxiety. Will also reduce the context rot a bit.

Anthropic has a "style" choice, one of which is "concise"
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