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Air Force unit suspends use of Sig Sauer pistol after shooting death of airman

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Post by relaxing »

BeetleB wrote: post #241
relaxing wrote: post #236

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A lot is feasible if your life is at stake. Living through a wild west fantasy of beating your murderous ex to the draw is probably the least feasible. If forced to choose between rampaging through someone’s house in close quarters combat, or waiting outside for them to come to me, I’d pick the latter.

> If forced to choose between rampaging through someone’s house in close quarters combat, or waiting outside for them to come to me, I’d pick the latter. And many wouldn't. > A lot is feasible if your life is at stake. I won't argue the point - people have different opinions on this, and it's not a topic you're going to get a "clear correct" answer for. The point still stands: Some people choose not to leave, and the…

> many people wouldn’t

Yeah, many people are stupid and/or crazy or just hotheads making rash decisions in the heat of the moment which kind of blows apart your rational calculus of armed deterrence.

I don’t know what your state is. I live in a rural part of my state, and the open warfare you’re describing doesn’t sound like anything I’ve heard about. I think it might be time to move, friend. Whatever’s holding you there can’t be worth your life.

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Post by ryoshoe »

matt-attack wrote: post #368
ahoka wrote: post #299

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Great so us petite women are back to having a natural disadvantage to would be attackers. My gun is an equalizer. Doesn’t guarantee me safety but when I’m on that empty subway car late at night and a large aggressor enters the car, I’m at least on equal footing. Those who wish to disarm us women are doing so from a position of luxury. Where you’re never felt what it’s like to be completely at the mercy of those drast…

The emphasis of identity politics talking points here gives off the same vibes as a lot of "as a black man" style posts

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Post by ivraatiems »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #323
ivraatiems wrote: post #257

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Do you have any evidence of this? The only thing I can find anywhere is a video of Ian timing a trans cosplayer who's doing a shooting match dressed as 2B from Neir: Automata ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhn18QhVzVM ), and an Instagram post of him with a gay 2nd-amendment advocate ( https://www.instagram.com/p/C2nh1HIy_uS/?hl=en ).

https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/1e78bjz/k... As Karl has deleted his twitter posts, there is a screenshot

This isn't really sufficient, especially not from Karl. I agree with Karl's politics but not with branding someone a Nazi or anti-LGBT for staying out of them.

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Post by nosignono »

fmbb wrote: post #80
nosignono wrote: post #27

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When you draw from concealment, an experienced shooter needs only get their grip and an eye picture -- point gun at target and fire. You only need to train muscle memory to get into a firing position, which is also what you are regularly training every time you live fire or dry fire. If you don't have a round chambered, you need to draw, rack and release the slide, hope a round is properly chambered (in a panicked si…

I’m a panicked position maybe you should not fire a gun. If you cannot even chamber a round who’s to say you can hit what you want to hit?

I probably spoke imprecisely. I meant rushed, which has a similar but different meaning than panicked.

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Post by tracker1 »

One of my best friends runs a firearms instruction program and literally took a grinder to cut his in half... Mine is still in one piece, but I'm unlikely to ever fire it again. Kind of a shame that Sig Sauer chooses to deny/lie over simply addressing the problem head on. No respect and definitely lost a customer in me.

I'll probably switch to a Glock 19 at this point.

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Post by nosignono »

andrewflnr wrote: post #168
nosignono wrote: post #11

Everyone I know has been saying, for years , to not carry Sig 320s or their variants. Those things are dangerous. It's tragic it took the death of someone from what (at this point) was an entirely preventable outcome.

They didn't have good evidence until recently, though. Or at least that's my understanding.

The FBI & DEA definitely did an investigation and came to the conclusion that, at a minimum, not all the safeties on the firearm work as designed. https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M...

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Post by Alupis »

lenerdenator wrote: post #364
giardini wrote: post #256

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COLT 1911 45 ACP condition 1.

Charged and locked, hard to screw that up.

"Cocked & Locked" is usually how people refer to this - and it is easy to screw up. Under stress, people's fine motor skills vanish, sometimes resulting in the safety not being disengaged as you draw from the holster. Additionally, it can be accidentally flipped off during handling.

Modern firearms have multiple internal safeties to prevent accidental discharges (unless you're Sig apparently).

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Post by dcrazy »

zokier wrote: post #308
alecco wrote: post #295

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> I have not had the self-recall fix done Why? Also, isn't that only an issue in early P320s? (at least according to Sig) > and I'll never chamber a round in it again Isn't this good enough for most uses? Heck, a long time ago I was trained to only chamber after unholstering AND entering a situation requiring quick response. The extra round not being worth the risk. 17 instead of 17+1 for the 9mm P320, right? Honestl…

> Honestly, this all smells like an overblown hysteria campaign to pump American brands. Sig Sauer, Inc is an American company, and M17/M18 are manufactured solely in US. Afaik the design is also from US.

> Sig Sauer, Inc is an American company

It appears to be the American half of a German-owned transnational company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer

The German company and American company are clearly related, given the German company is alleged to have manufactured and shipped firearms to the American company with falsified end-user certificates, which the American company then resold to Colombia in violation of German law: https://www.nhpr.org/post/ceo-nh-gun-maker-facing-five-years...

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Post by andrewflnr »

nosignono wrote: post #386
andrewflnr wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't have good evidence until recently, though. Or at least that's my understanding.

The FBI & DEA definitely did an investigation and came to the conclusion that, at a minimum, not all the safeties on the firearm work as designed. https://www.outdoorlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/MSP-M...

Dated 2024. P320 controversy is obviously a lot older than that.

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Post by Ostrogoth »

spl757 wrote: post #133

There are really two separate claims being made about the P320 and unintentional discharges. One claim is that the gun can fire when dropped at a certain angle from a certain height. The voluntary "recall" lets you send it back to Sig and they replace some parts. I think the cause was because the trigger itself was bulky enough for a drop to give it enough inertia to fire, but I'm not 100% sure on that. The other cla…

I don’t know if the Sig P320 has a similar firing pin safety design to the P365, but I optioned to go with Springfield Hellcat vs P365 specifically because the Hellcat has two separate safety catch points on the firing pin assembly, thereby eliminating a single point of failure, while the P365 essentially has one (see photos here https://www.reddit.com/r/gunsmithing/comments/f7dgnl/how_saf...). Glock has also has a redundant “two-catch” internal safety design, and has a well established safety record (hellcat just worked better for my needs; glock was an equally good choice from a safety standpoint). It’s common in the US to carry in “ready” configuration (barrel loaded); IMO if you choose to do this, a single point of failure is unacceptable. It’s why hammer fire (with hammer disengaged requiring initial DA trigger pull to push hammer back) can be safer; you can also cover the hammer with thumb while drawing and feel if the trigger is accidentally engaging, helping to prevent a negligent discharge.
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