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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Urahandystar »

basisword wrote: post #212
cbeach wrote: post #150

Say what you will about JD Vance but he has passionately confronted the European elites on their surveillance overreach and clearly it's had an impact. We may not like everything about the current American administration, but credit where due.

If you really believe that the propaganda is working well.

I didn't, but since he made his freedom of speech complaints, I've seen some utterly horrendous overreaches from the UK government that makes it clear as day he is correct. He may be a broken clock but he is striking right this time.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ahoka »

Veen wrote: post #349
prasadjoglekar wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryption itself is a form of speech. Therefore the govt can't force you to decrypt. Guarantee is too strong of a word, but this is the concept.

That’s a specifically US interpretation based on US case law. It doesn’t apply in the UK or anywhere else.

US also interprets political bribes as free speech, which is nonsense.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Urahandystar »

mass_and_energy wrote: post #140

"Last month, Meta-owned WhatsApp said it would join Apple’s legal challenge, in a rare collaboration between the Silicon Valley rivals". Apple makes home computers, mobile devices, AV equipment and productivity/multimedia software. Meta makes social media platforms, and vr headsets. What exactly makes them "rivals"? WhatsApp vs iMessage? They're two big companies in the same sector, sure, but do they really compete a…

Ad networks, Apple recently launched it own smaller one and nerfed Meta's data collection ability.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ethbr1 »

ahoka wrote: post #382
Veen wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a specifically US interpretation based on US case law. It doesn’t apply in the UK or anywhere else.

US also interprets political bribes as free speech, which is nonsense.

I’d phrase it as the US recognizing that all political support (including money) is speech.

It’s difficult to decide what type of political speech is and isn’t okay, without censoring.

(Said as someone in favor of public funding only for campaigns, but who acknowledges external funding would be a nightmare to police)

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by cluckindan »

deepsun wrote: post #289
theturtletalks wrote: post #273

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Even in the US, even if Apple doesn’t have a backdoor, isn’t NSA linked up into the telecom companies already?

If there's a properly implemented end-to-end encryption, then NSA cannot see anything, even having full access to telco-s.

But they can store the traffic and decrypt it later, if feasible.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by cormorant »

Hilift wrote: post #354
ok123456 wrote: post #115

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"We have never built." ok, so then who built it?

Go further: "We have never built a back door or master key" The feature is not named "back door" or "master key". It's a feature of iMessage with various names such as "zero click". Also note they have created features before that provides law enforcement access to data at different stages of a pipeline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage#Security_and_privacy

> It's a feature of iMessage with various names such as "zero click".

All web results for `imessage "zero click"` are about vulnerabilities/exploits. Are you claiming some of these are intentional, or what?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by basisword »

Urahandystar wrote: post #381
basisword wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you really believe that the propaganda is working well.

I didn't, but since he made his freedom of speech complaints, I've seen some utterly horrendous overreaches from the UK government that makes it clear as day he is correct. He may be a broken clock but he is striking right this time.

>> I've seen some utterly horrendous overreaches from the UK government

This is the propaganda I'm talking about. We had a summer of race riots and people were held accountable for inciting violence. Vance doesn't like that. Meanwhile his own government is deporting people for peaceful protest, cracking down on free speech at Universities, and banning journalists that it doesn't like.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by wkat4242 »

ascorbic wrote: post #363
wkat4242 wrote: post #184

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Geographically, yes. But they've made it clear they don't want anything to do with us. Also, the 3-year period after brexit with all the whining about their 'deal' (knowing that what they wanted was legally impossible) was so annoying I'm kinda done with them. Too much drama for too long. So I've stopped buying UK products and services (eg raspberry pi) and don't consider traveling there anymore. Just like I'm doing…

In the context of so-called "European elites threatening freedom and democracy", the UK is very much included in that category, as this story demonstrated. On the other point, while you can of course boycott anything for whatever reasons you want for as long as you want, you do realise that the UK has a different government now. One that opposed Brexit, and has already signed agreements for closer cooperation with th…

I know, but I don't think labour is substantially different. They're still pushing for extreme privacy invasive measures (the latest one was only withdrawn due to pressure from the US), they recently introduced mandatory visas for EU visitors.

Like I said elsewhere, it's like with the US, the trust is just gone. Besides, the tories will come back sooner or later (or worse, reform UK). They're not gone.

I'm not going to switch back and forth. Maybe if they play nice for a decade or so I'll change my mind.

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Post by slavik81 »

aydyn wrote: post #343
slavik81 wrote: post #327

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The author of V for Vendetta, Watchmen, 300, and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

Yes lmao. You think those are literary classics in the same vein as Shakespeare or something?

No, but the films made a billion dollars in box office revenues. I know of Alan Moore's V for Vandetta because of the blockbuster movie.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by weavejester »

RumourRider wrote: post #362
weavejester wrote: post #322

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> UK citizens don't have a constitutional right to free speech They do. The UK has an uncodified constitution, and this includes the Human Rights Act, which guarantees freedom of expression to UK citizens.

We do not . There are so many caveats in relevant part of the human rights act. > The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder…

Speech is a form of expression; freedom of expression encompasses freedom of speech. To quote from the link you provided:

"This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers."

As you point out, all countries have some restrictions on speech. We can obviously agree that somewhere like North Korea has no freedom of speech, in the same way we can agree the Moon is clearly outside our atmosphere. But in the margins it comes down to where you draw the line.

There's also a difference when it comes to theory and practice. In theory the US is more permissive; it lacks the ECHR's caveats that permit restricting speech to protect health, morals and territorial integrity. But in practice the US is rated as coming below the UK in the World Press Freedom Index and the Freedom of Expression Index. The US government has a lot of power to lean on organisations and individuals to stifle speech, which of course it's currently doing.

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