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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by Gerardo1 »

humpty-d wrote: post #140
rsanek wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

any claim from the deepseek folks should be considered with wide margins of error.

I know we distrust them on account of being nefarious Chinese, but has anything come to light with R1 or the people behind it specifically to justify this?

There's no way to know who's funding it (but being at least state subsidized is highly likely), and you we don't really know how much it cost (but in any case it's still less than OpenAI is spending).

On the other hand I'm aware of no credible accusations of deepseek fudging benchmarks whereas OpenAI has had multiple instances of independent parties not being able to replicate their claimed performances on benchmarks (and not being honest and transparent about their benchmarking).

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

whiplash451 wrote: post #244
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was worth the burn to capture the market. You cannot compare Uber to the AI market. They are too different. Uber captured the market because having three taxi services is annoying. But people are readily jumping between models using multi-model platforms. And nobody is significantly ahead of the pack. There is nothing that sets anyone apart aside from the rate at which they are burning capital. Any advantage is…

Three cab apps are a lot less annoying than three LLM apps each having their piece of your chats history. The winner-take-all effect is a lot stronger with chat apps.

I interface with AI models using a single website where i can select between models. Code IDEs are doing the same. Companies that facilitate cross model integration are doing doing great (cursor as a famous example). This trend is spreading.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by Gerardo1 »

bobxmax wrote: post #155
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the answer is debt. The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn. If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

> Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate.

If you said you can look at the state of VC funding in the US and call it anything approximating "smart risks" I don't know that I'd believe you.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by freehorse »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #135
arnaudsm wrote: post #18

I wished the charts included Qwen3, the current SOTA in reasoning. Qwen3-4B almost beats Magistral-22B on the 4 available benchmarks, and Qwen3-30B-A3B is miles ahead.

30-A3B is a really impressive model. I throw tasks at it running locally to save on API costs, and it's possibly better than anything we had a year or so ago from closed source providers. For programming tasks, I'd rank it higher than gpt-4o

It is a great model, and blazing fast, which is actually very useful esp for "reasoning" models, as they produce a lot of tokens.

I wish mistral were back into making MoE models. I loved their 8x7 mixtral, it was one of the greatest models I could run the time it went out, but it is outdated now. I wish somebody was out making a similar size MoE model, which could comfortably sit in a 64GB ram macbook and be fast. Currently the qwen 30-A3B is the only one I know of, but it would be nice to have something slightly bigger/better (incl a non-reasoning base one). All the other MoE models are just too big to run locally in more standard hardware.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by eigenspace »

alister wrote: post #227

As a quick test of logical reasoning and basic Wikipedia-level knowledge, I asked Mistral AI the following question: A Brazilian citizen is flying from Sao Paulo to Paris, with a connection in Lisbon. Does he need to clear immigration in Lisbon or in Paris or in both cities or in neither city? Mistral AI said that "immigration control will only be cleared in Paris," which I think is wrong. After I pointed it to the W…

I wonder if they adjusted it since reading this thread, or if you forgot to turn on reasoning or if you just got unlucky. For me, when I ask this it thinks for about 1.5 minutes and responds with

"The Brazilian citizen needs to clear immigration in Lisbon."

When I asked it to explain why, it said

"The Brazilian citizen needs to clear immigration in Lisbon because Lisbon is the first Schengen entry point when traveling from a non-Schengen country (Brazil) to a Schengen country (France via Portugal). According to Schengen rules, travelers must clear immigration at the first Schengen port of entry. Since Paris is also within the Schengen Area, no additional immigration checks are required upon arrival in Paris."

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by FabHK »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #324
FabHK wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, Singapore's efforts to nurture a thriving startup scene are met with middling success at most.

Are you implying that Singapore is not ultra regulated? They make Europe look like Texas.

No, you're right, Singapore is both highly regulated and successful. I just meant to highlight that the soaring economy doesn't include many high-tech startups.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by hskalin »

pembrook wrote: post #347
rafram wrote: post #30

Is the number of em-dashes in this marketing copy indicative of the kind of output that the model produces? If so, might want to tone it down a bit.

This meme that humans don’t use em dashes needs to die. It’s an extremely useful tool in writing and I’ve been using it for decades.

That's very weird, I on the other hand don't remember noticing them or using them before the advent of chatgpt. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

It makes sense that humans would have been using it though, chatgpt learned from us afterall

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

Gerardo1 wrote: post #383
bobxmax wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

> Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. If you said you can look at the state of VC funding in the US and call it anything approximating "smart risks" I don't know that I'd believe you.

No good VC investment looked like a "smart riks" to normies when it happened.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

FabHK wrote: post #314
bobxmax wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any time European economic failings are brought up it's always the same thing. "Well at least no school shootings!" Great, Singapore has less school shootings and homeless people than anywhere in Europe by a country mile and has a soaring economy.

Eh, Singapore's efforts to nurture a thriving startup scene are met with middling success at most.

Agreed, but Singapore has only 5 million people which limits their potential in that regard.
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