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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by arunabha »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #362
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

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Do you mean the protesting the work of Federal and ICE agents? Since when did that become 'attacking citizens'?

If that's the bar, then I'm wondering how you'd classify the J6 mob? Remember, the president explicitly pardoned each and every J6 protester who was duly convicted in a court of law by a jury so at best there are some extreme double standards being applied.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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TiredOfLife wrote: post #362
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ta1243 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #246
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

They want a reason to remove the current Californian government, as well as manufacturing a reason to enact emergency powers which can 'help' Trump push for a third term. They have been discussing this since before the election.

Trump is hardly a bastion of health, you think he'll still be around when he's 82?

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Post by pjc50 »

netfortius wrote: post #321
xivzgrev wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shh! We can’t do that! You’d piss off the republican donors. Not to mention the American public when their grocery bill significantly increases. No, it’s much better to go harass people who aren’t in republican circles. Us vs them. Round up some illegals, make some examples, stick it to the democrats (who loosened the borders and are complicit). Trump is strong, and finally cracking down on all of this illegal nonsen…

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.. what does Stalin have to do with this?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by catlifeonmars »

closewith wrote: post #361
catlifeonmars wrote: post #343

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2/7 is an infantry battalion. They have no training or experience policing. I was a member of an infantry battalion once tasked with doing policing in a foreign country. Let me just say that the outcome was exactly what you’d expect. We were very effective at responding with overwhelming force to attacks by an insurgency but pretty ineffective at keeping the peace.

> We were very effective at responding with overwhelming force to attacks by an insurgency I don't think you were, since all US COIN operations in living memory have been abject failures.

Heh not wrong but I think you stopped reading at “we were very effective”

I never said we were effective at counterinsurgency ops

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Post by arunabha »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #380
ta1243 wrote: post #379

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Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves in any case

> Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves None of this is legally established.

Didn't the supreme court determine that presidents have 'broad immunity' for 'official acts'? Of course, they gave future justices some wriggle room with the somewhat vague wording, but the current court seems very sympathetic to the unitary executive theory.

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Post by yokoprime »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #362
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

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> Foreign nationals waving flag of their nation, attacking citizens and being in country without permission. Smells like invasion.

This is such a tabloid and uneducated take. These are riots or unrest, not an invasion. An invasion is a military offensive by a nation-state or global entity. If this was in fact an invasion, the US should invoke NATO article 5.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lordnacho wrote: post #334
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260

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> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

Well I hate to disparage a large group of people, but how often have you spoken to an American who understands this type of social-legal history of the country, and values it? Although I know quite a lot of (what I consider) well-educated Americans, it is also the only country from which I regularly meet the type of person who doesn't care at all about how society works (also, technology, history, art, etc). You'll p…

> Well I hate to disparage a large group of people, but how often have you spoken to an American who understands this type of social-legal history of the country, and values it?

Quite often, and the answer is not many. It's why I've returned to a frankly elitist worldview, because this seems to be a historical pattern when power is diffused too widely. The lesson of our age may be that the Chinese political system, which seeks to restrit political competition within a small, carefully-selected group, is fitter than the American experiment.

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