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Copilot at $10/mo. lets you use Sonnet 4 in VS Code, which has been working very well for me in agent mode. Curious what Claude Max offers that sets it apart.
I believe Copilot Agent isn't yet generally available outside of GitHub (the website)? Also, Copilot's paid version is free for developers of popular FOSS projects.
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Yes, this is a paid comment, in the sense that it's probably a bot. 22 day old account, with 1 post, praising Claude. For more than a year, Anthropic has engaged in an extensive guerrilla marketing effort on Reddit and similar developer-oriented platforms, aiming to persuade users that Claude significantly outperforms competitors in programming tasks, even though nearly all benchmarks indicate otherwise.
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Until Claude Code becomes manageable price wise, I don’t think Cursor really sees them as their competition. I can burn the whole cursor subscription price in a single day with Claude Code.
I'm surprised nobody is mentioning how cheap copilot pro is. $20 and you get all you can eat inference without using your own api key for the models on vs code agent mode.
My only wish is that Cursor had partnered with Zed. vscode isn't enjoyable.
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The play is probably - Expand and get lock in - Custom fine-tuned models (much cheaper) for increasing # of completions - Enterprise contracts
That works in systems that exhibit economy of scale. The problem with generative ai workloads: The costs rise linerly with the number of requests, because you need to compute every query.
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The winners will be those that climb the abstraction ladder. The more sophisticated and useful the abstractions, the more lockin/sticky it will be
My bet is on Bezos. The sheer physical infrastructure is the moat.
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Yeah, if you're a heavy user of Claude code, you pretty much need to use it with a Max subscription rather than a BYOK approach. But that starts at $100 / month so it's a significant bump from cursor.
For any professional SWE 1/200 a month is basically nothing in terms of the value it delivers. They just rolled it out to the 20/month plan with limited usage but as soon as people get used to it I have no idea why they wouldn't upgrade unless they are just entering the field and don't have a job yet.
Unless you do nothing else with your time I'm not sure how you'd utilize the $100/mo plan fully.
I must mention https://ampcode.com/manual which is my favorite toy of them all right now. Has almost no settings; uses Claude 4, no way to change model; just works! (Unfortunately, not a paid comment.)
You forgot to say what the primary benefit is. Because it lacks controls? I can see how some might consider that a plus.
When Ampcode took it all away from me, I found I enjoyed the actual AI-assisted coding much more than configuring. Of course, largely because it just worked. Granted, I had enough experience with other AI tools to manage my expectations.
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There is no loyalty or lock in though. There is little real uniqueness. And everyone in AI is trying to make everyone else on AI the "commodity complement" It's like a horse race. But yeah enjoy the subsidies. It's like the cheap Ubers of yesteryear.
The winners will be those that climb the abstraction ladder. The more sophisticated and useful the abstractions, the more lockin/sticky it will be
The more interesting, novel, and useful work you wrap the LLM in the more defensible your pricing will be.
That said I think this can describe a lot of agentic code tools - the entire point is that you're not just talking to the raw LLM itself, you're being intermediated by a bunch of useful things that are non-trivial.
I see this with Anthropic most - they seem to have multiple arms in multiple lines of business that go up the abstraction ladder - Claude Code is just one of them. They seem to also be in the customer service automation business as well.
[edit] I think a general trend we're going to see is that "pure" LLM providers are going to try to go up the abstraction ladder as just generating tokens proves unprofitable, colliding immediately with their own customers. There's going to be a LOT of Sherlocking, and the LLM providers are going to have a home field advantage (paying less for inference, existing capability to fine-tune and retrain, and looooooots of VC funding).
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I pay that 20€ a month for a subscription, and the claude opus thinking model from Zed is really solid now. Had similar issues earlier, now it works. Also it's great that I do not need to use the vscode ecosystem. Zed is snappy, has a great UI and now a good assistant too.
I’m not a fan of the 20 tool limit unless you use the Max option which costs you 1 credit for each and every tool call + message. Seems like an artificial limit and it always rips me out
Cursor a lot of respect from our dev team if todays slack messages are anything to go by