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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by akie »

mrklol wrote: post #376
_ncuy wrote: post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Do they, though? Are competitors actually downloading all these videos? Supposedly there are 5 billion videos on YouTube (https://seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube), downloading all of that is a LOOOOT of data and time.

I mean, you could limit yourself to the most popular or most interesting 100 million, but that's still an enormous amount of data to download.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by aloha2436 »

mrklol wrote: post #376
_ncuy wrote: post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Easy access to the videos without having to download them from Google (and without Google trying to stop you from scraping them, which they will) is an enormous advantage. There's way, way too much on Youtube for to index and use over the internet, and especially not at full resolution.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by anilgulecha »

I'd made a prediction/bet a month ago, predicting 6 months to a full 90 minute movie by someone sitting on their computer. [0]

The pace is so crazy that was an over estimation! I'll probably get done in 2. Wild times.

0: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7317975...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by mrklol »

akie wrote: post #381
mrklol wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Do they, though? Are competitors actually downloading all these videos? Supposedly there are 5 billion videos on YouTube ( https://seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube ), downloading all of that is a LOOOOT of data and time. I mean, you could limit yourself to the most popular or most interesting 100 million, but that's still an enormous amount of data to download.

Just wanted to mention the latter, you don’t need all videos. It’s indeed a lot of data but doable so I am not sure if I would count this as big advantage.

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Post by jampekka »

danabenson wrote: post #295
methuselah_in wrote: post #289

Well all this is great from a technology point of view. But what about millions of jobs in the film industry in animation, motion artists etc? Why is it feeling like few humans are making sure others stop eating and living a good life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

You are probably meaning that as a slur.

In reality Luddites did not oppose technology per-se, but the dramatic worsening of the working conditions in the factories, reduced wages and concentration of the income to the capital holders. These are the same problems that should be addressed contemporarily.

They initially tried to address these by political means. But with that failing they moved to sabotage and violence.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-robots-take-j...

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Post by _delirium »

Timon3 wrote: post #372
sebstefan wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it

> They're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Why not? Given enough data, it's possible to train models to differentiate - especially since humans can pick up on the difference pretty well. > Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it Excluding videos from training datasets doesn't mean excluding them from Youtube.

I agree, especially because in practice the vast majority of AI-generated videos uploaded to YouTube are going to be from one of about 3 or 4 generators (Sora, Veo, etc.). May change in the future, but at the moment the detection problem is pretty well constrained.

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Post by informal007 »

_ncuy wrote: post #311

Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.

Why videos are important for robotics?

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Post by oblio »

hooverd wrote: post #157
gloosx wrote: post #125

>>models create, empowering artists to bring their creative vision Interesting logic the new era brings: something else creates, and you only "bring your vision to life", but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt? Were at a crossroads where the tools are powerful enough to make the process optional. That raises uncomfortable questions: if you don’t have to create anymor…

LLM providers want to a) make you dependent on their services as you outsource your skills and cognition and b) use that dependency to skim the cream off every economic activity.

> b) use that dependency to skim the cream off every economic activity.

Exactly. Probably the most important quote of modern times is, I think it was a CEO of an ISP that said it: "we don't want to be the dumb pipes" (during a comparison with a water utility company).

Everyone wants to seek rents for recurring revenue someone else actually generates.

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Post by alkonaut »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #53

I'm sure by this point, and if not, pretty soon, everyone will have seen a clip of AI generated video and not thought twice about it. Its something that is only obvious when it is obvious. And the more obvious examples you see, the more non-obvious examples slip by.

The inverse follows from this and is even more scary. Soon there will be videos of something terrible happening, reported in the news, which is widely rejected as fake despite being real.

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Post by drusepth »

onemoresoop wrote: post #228
ivape wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out all the creatives on /r/screenwriting, half the time they are trying to figure out how to "make connections" just to get a story considered. It's a fucking nightmare out there. Whatever god is providing us with AI is the greatest gift I could imagine to a creative.

AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy

People will always become lazy with new tools. But not all people.

It'll lower the barrier of entry (and therefore the quality floor before people feel comfortable sharing something "they made" if they can deflect with an easy "the AI made this" versus "I put XY0 hours into this"), but it'll also empower people who wouldn't otherwise even try to create new things and, presumably, follow their passion to learn and do more.

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