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Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by LadyCailin »

immibis wrote: post #306
LadyCailin wrote: post #299

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This is kind of a weird hill to die on, but you’re well within your rights, so you do you. However, it is clearly not correct to say that you were banned from GitHub. It’s like saying “I was banned from Google because I refuse to use computing devices.” Not really a ban, just self flagellation, which, again, whatever works for you.

Give me your social security number or you may not reply to my comments. If you don't give me your social security number, choosing instead to die on this weird hill, it's not correct to say you're banned - you're merely self-flagellating.

A phone number given to a generally reputable company is hardly equivalent to giving a rando your social security number.

I mean, obviously you disagree with them being generally reputable, but you must realize that’s not a broad opinion, and they are certainly better at preventing data breaches than the average company that stores phone numbers.

Sincerely though, I hope you get your GDPR request sorted.

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by nine_k »

GuB-42 wrote: post #245
monegator wrote: post #204

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why github and not codeberg? badwidth? $$$ from microsoft? (traffic, free training for copilot, ..)

I would say that using GitHub only for a public git repository is pretty good value. It is free and robust, and there is not much bad Microsoft can do to you. Because it is standard git, there is no lockdown. If they make a decision you don't like, migrating is just a git clone. As for the "training copilot" part, it is public, it doesn't change anything that Microsoft hosts the project on their own servers, they can…

Question: could I offer a patch without having a GitHub account?

Definitely I can access the source code. The review tools are not on GitHub. But is it even possible to host my proposed changes elsewhere, not on GitHub? I suppose that the answer is negative, but surprises happen.

This is a relatively theoretical question, but it explores the "what bad Microsoft can do to you" avenue: it can close your GitHub account, likely seriously hampering your ability to contribute.

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by fsflover »

JeremyNT wrote: post #319
fguerraz wrote: post #302

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Thanks to the decentralised nature of git, this should matter only moderately.

Exactly, now they have the best of both worlds: let Microsoft host the code using a standard VCS, but avoid lock in by continuing to use their own issue tracker and project management software.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43971550

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by fsflover »

dblohm7 wrote: post #356
monegator wrote: post #204

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why github and not codeberg? badwidth? $$$ from microsoft? (traffic, free training for copilot, ..)

Former Mozilla employee here. I've been gone for a few years now and have no insight into this decision, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. Having said that, I think that, for better or worse, GitHub is probably the best location simply because it provides the lowest barrier to entry for new contributors. I know that's spicy enough to trigger dozens of keyboard warriors hitting the reply button, but every l…

> There are still people out there, for example, who refuse to create an account on bugzilla.mozilla.org (not that this move to GitHub changes that).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43971550

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by nirvdrum »

dblohm7 wrote: post #358
lupusreal wrote: post #267

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> This only affects the code; bugzilla is still being used for issue tracking Grim. The best reason to be using github at all is to maximize the portion of your users who are comfortable submitting bug reports, as they already have an account and are familiar with how the platform works (due to network effects.) Projects which host code on github but chose not to take bug reports there are effectively gate keeping bu…

I understand what you're saying, but still: GitHub issues is terrible compared to Mozilla's Bugzilla instance. It's not even close.

I wish GitHub had a way to interface with an external issue tracker. I know it's not entirely on them, but it'd be great if there were some sort of standard for this. I'd love to embed an issue tracker from elsewhere.

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by fsflover »

LadyCailin wrote: post #381
immibis wrote: post #306

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Give me your social security number or you may not reply to my comments. If you don't give me your social security number, choosing instead to die on this weird hill, it's not correct to say you're banned - you're merely self-flagellating.

A phone number given to a generally reputable company is hardly equivalent to giving a rando your social security number. I mean, obviously you disagree with them being generally reputable, but you must realize that’s not a broad opinion, and they are certainly better at preventing data breaches than the average company that stores phone numbers. Sincerely though, I hope you get your GDPR request sorted.

> generally reputable company

Are you talking about Microsoft here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Controversies

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by kaichanvong »

frizlab wrote: post #339
kaichanvong wrote: post #149

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while --it-is possible seeing how fossil confuses, for the Github conversation, it's not really in the same category, conversation, some clever happenings happening within fossil-scm, however, it's not really the same as the problem design-led github solves given people saying downtimes; sure, git, github; however how people using github, different–similar, git, however, github. However, were you to say liken-able (s…

I don’t get any of that. I tried, but no, it just makes no sense.

;( I feel for you, hopefully–you can get more out from things in the future.

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by LadyCailin »

fsflover wrote: post #386
LadyCailin wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A phone number given to a generally reputable company is hardly equivalent to giving a rando your social security number. I mean, obviously you disagree with them being generally reputable, but you must realize that’s not a broad opinion, and they are certainly better at preventing data breaches than the average company that stores phone numbers. Sincerely though, I hope you get your GDPR request sorted.

> generally reputable company Are you talking about Microsoft here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Controversies

Hence the qualifier “generally”. I’m not saying they’re above reproach, but I am saying that companies that care far less about data security already have my phone number, such as most/all of my utilities - including my phone company. And those aren’t realistically optional.

Re: Mozilla Firefox – Official GitHub repo

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Post by selectnull »

fsflover wrote: post #325
selectnull wrote: post #244

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Time will tell. I would love to be wrong.

You didn't even provide any actual context making it impossible to argue with you. HN should have better conversations than shallow dismissals (according to the guidelines).

You are completely correct, my comment was shallow and that was my fault.

Here is my opinion on Mozilla and their direction: in the previous decade (or a little bit more) or so their primary money bringer was Google, paying for the default search engine placement in Firefox. Annually, that brought about half a billion US (I don't have the exact amounts, but let's assume in that decade they should have earned a few billions).

At the same time, Firefox continuously lost market share and with that, the power to steer the web in the direction of privacy (1) and open standards (2).

(1) instead, they've acquired Anonym, an ad business which touts itself to be interested in user's privacy. color me sceptic on that one.

(2) it's all Chrome and iOS. Firefox is a lagard.

So, what has Mozilla done with the billions? Have they invested it in Firefox? MDN perhaps? Are they the web champions they have been in 2010s?

You can still argue that these points are shallow. My original comment was motivated by my disappointment in Mozilla's lost opportunity to be a fighter for an open web. Instead they have sold their soul to the highest (and only) bidder.

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