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Unless you are someone that has chores to do like say... Most people? Yes we could technically leave our dirty dishes on the sink while we do art but that decision bites you next time you want to cook lol. Obviously we mean we want to use that time of doing dish towards art instead, like how automation has always worked?
Chores are just a convenient excuse because of fear of failure. How is it that some people are "too busy" for decades on end? There is time for making art if you want to.
DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model
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We can join the Amish and reject all technology based on AI. There may be a war against Big Tech. Terrorist attacks on data centers and robot factories.
As long as we have a choice. Not that long ago you would lose your job because you refused to take an experimental vaccination that didn’t prevent transmission.
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> Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left Until someone makes an AI guitar pedal that corrects sloppy playing.
We've had that for years in the DAW and autotune and snapping to grid. The result's pretty boring and interchangeable, and that's largely what AI music is trained on. Accuracy is not novel here. Ever since the 80s it's been increasingly possible to augment musical skill or lack of, with technology. I don't think we're very close to correcting for sloppy intentionality. Only to correcting 'mistakes', or alternately ad…
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#384You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music
With all due respect, even if you are Thom Yorke (actually definitely if you are Thom Yorke) I would probably be bored by your music if it is unwilling to expand and grow with the nascent possibilities of technology. While AI music creation tools tend toward vapid imitation at worst and noble democratization of hit songs at best, Google is providing a more sophisticated interface here which may allow the truly creati…
Records were released with labels proudly saying that the albums were recorded fully analog.
When Autotune became a thing, there were artists complaining that it was inauthentic and cheating, allowing talentless hacks to sound like they have more natural talent than actually talented human beings, and released albums proudly saying that they used no autotune.
Even now, the hint that a natural sounding singer is using autotune is a common insult among recording musicians, even though almost everyone does.
Whether you agree with the original analog non-autotuned musicians or not, (which, honestly, I think they were correct to a certain degree, but that's its own discussion), AI music generation is almost certainly here to stay.
That being said, digital recording made making music possible for people who would have never had the opportunity otherwise, and had generated a lot of good stuff that would have otherwise never have existed.
Autotune has enabled people to express themselves the way they want to express themselves even though they didn't otherwise have the talent or skill to do so.
AI "might" make it so that people who can imagine a song they could never spend the time and energy needed to create such a song to create the songs they hear in their heads they way they imagine them.
AI "might" give people the ability to express themselves in ways they never could before.
It doesn't yet do that, it only remixes what it's heard before. But combine that with people then tweaking/reprocessing that output, doing other things to it, making AI mashed potato music into crisp potato chip music, it can be a good thing.
Doesn't mean the au-naturale artists are obsolete or wrong, I would rather listen to 1 mediocre human musician than a SOTA AI music box, but if the music box is used as part of the total, I'm ok with that.
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This sounds like the kind of things painters said after good photography because widespread. Instead we got aesthetically original avant-garde art to replace the thousands of low-quality slop portraits that were common in the mid-19th century.
aesthetically original, avant-garde, and bad.
Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model
#386You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music
With all due respect, even if you are Thom Yorke (actually definitely if you are Thom Yorke) I would probably be bored by your music if it is unwilling to expand and grow with the nascent possibilities of technology. While AI music creation tools tend toward vapid imitation at worst and noble democratization of hit songs at best, Google is providing a more sophisticated interface here which may allow the truly creati…
Popular music evolved and developed rapidly post WW2 cause of invention (instruments and distribution channels) and economics (disposable income among youth giving rise to youth culture). That is a product that may be at the end of its S curve.
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The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.
I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…
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What I find so incredibly frustrating about comments like this is the assumption that this is how it has to be. Human liberation is a bad idea because you had a bad experience during sabbatical and that’s the way it has to be. People and society adapt.
This is not what I took away from the experience or what I’m trying to communicate with my comment. I’ve elaborated in various sibling comments, but my point is closer to this: regardless of what is possible, many people simply don’t have the skills for a rapidly and drastically altered social arrangement. To your point, people can gain those skills. Society will adapt. But the worrying thing to me is the rate of cha…
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Chores are just a convenient excuse because of fear of failure. How is it that some people are "too busy" for decades on end? There is time for making art if you want to.
Nothing privileged about that response. Tell that to the single parent working two jobs to make ends meet.
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We can join the Amish and reject all technology based on AI. There may be a war against Big Tech. Terrorist attacks on data centers and robot factories.
Guess who wins in a war where one side has killer drone swarms with thermal vision, and the other one doesn't? The only way to win this fight is to embrace the tech and put it to good use, not to shun it.