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Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by imhoguy »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #261
jgb1984 wrote: post #125

LLM anything makes me queasy. Why would any self respecting software developer use this tripe? Learn how to write good software. Become an expert in the trade. AI anything will only dig a hole for software to die in. Cheapens the product, butchers the process and absolutely decimates any hope for skill development for future junior developers. I'll just keep chugging along, with debian, python and vim, as I always ha…

I was with you 150% (though Arch, Golang and Zed) until a friend convinced me to give it a proper go and explained more about how to talk to the LLM. I've had a long-term code project that I've really struggled with, for various reasons. Instead of using my normal approach, which would be to lay out what I think the code should do, and how it should work, I just explained the problem and let the LLM worry about the c…

> never look at the code, just the output, and only talk to the LLM about what I wanted

Sir, you have just passed vibe coding exam. Certified Vibe Coder printout is in the making but AI has difficulty finding a printer. /s

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by wvh »

Consider the source. I assume companies will learn the hard way not to fake human interaction and be forced to mention when responses are auto-generated (a better word than "AI" really). All that effort for so many to build rapport and trust and all pissed away by trying to save a buck and having an ambitious bot trying to go solo.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by Tinkeringz »

makingstuffs wrote: post #377
adenta wrote: post #286

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You’ve promised a ton of people refunds that never got them. Others in this thread, and myself included Edit: he did refund 22 mins after seeing this

Yeah I got asked for feedback and offered a refund when I cancelled. Never got any reply after. Guess it was AI slop

Also experienced this

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by skinkestek »

VenturingVole wrote: post #273
sillyfluke wrote: post #221

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They already rolled out an "AI" product. Got humiliated pretty bad, and rolled it back. [0] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq5ggew08eyo

They had an opportunity to actually adapt, to embrace getting rapid feedback/iterating: But they are not equipped for it culturally. Major lost opportunity as it could have been a driver of internal change. I'm certain they'll get it right soon enough though. People were writing off Google in terms of AI until this year.. and oh how attitudes have changed.

> People were writing off Google in terms of AI until this year.. and oh how attitudes have changed.

Just give Google a year or two.

Google has a pretty amazing history of both messing up products generally and especially "ai like" things, including search.

(Yes I used to defend Google until a few years ago.)

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by FeepingCreature »

imhoguy wrote: post #381
marcus_holmes wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you 150% (though Arch, Golang and Zed) until a friend convinced me to give it a proper go and explained more about how to talk to the LLM. I've had a long-term code project that I've really struggled with, for various reasons. Instead of using my normal approach, which would be to lay out what I think the code should do, and how it should work, I just explained the problem and let the LLM worry about the c…

> never look at the code, just the output, and only talk to the LLM about what I wanted Sir, you have just passed vibe coding exam. Certified Vibe Coder printout is in the making but AI has difficulty finding a printer. /s

Computers don't need AI help to have trouble finding the printer, lol.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by iforgotpassword »

pjerem wrote: post #367
gtirloni wrote: post #185

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1) Once you get it to output something you like, do you check all the lines it changed? Is there a threshold after which you just... hope? 2) No matter what the learning curve, you're using a statistical tool that outputs in probabilities. If that's fine for your workflow/company, go for it. It's just not what a lot of developers are okay with. Of course it's a spectrum with the AI deniers in one corner and the vibe…

> 1) Once you get it to output something you like, do you check all the lines it changed? Is there a threshold after which you just... hope? Not op but yes. It sometimes takes a lot of time but I read everything. It still faster than nothing. Also, I ask very precise changes to the AI so it doesn’t generate huge diffs anyway. Also for new code, TDD works wonders with AI : let it write the unit tests (you still have t…

> It sometimes takes a lot of time but I read everything. It still faster than nothing.

Opposite experience for me. It reliably fails at more involved tasks so that I don't even try anymore. Smaller tasks that are around a hundred lines maybe take me longer to review that I can just do it myself, even though it's mundane and boring.

The only time I found it useful is if I'm unfamiliar with a language or framework, where I'd have to spend a lot of time looking up how to do stuff, understand class structures etc. Then I just ask the AI and have to slowly step through everything anyways, but at least there's all the classes and methods that are relevant to my goal and I get to learn along the way.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by kamaal »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #210
SkyPuncher wrote: post #169

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> Why would any self respecting software developer use this tripe? Because I can ship 2x to 5x more code with nearly the same quality. My employer isn't paying me to be a craftsman. They're paying me to ship things that make them money.

How do you define code quality in this case and what is your stack?

Code that you can understand and fix later, is acceptable quality per my definition.

Either way, LLMs are actually high up the quality spectrum as they generate a very consistent style of code for everyone. Which gives it uniformity, that is good when other developers have to read and troubleshoot code.

Re: Cursor IDE support hallucinates lockout policy, causes user cancellations

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Post by ruszki »

woah wrote: post #343
ericwood wrote: post #209

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I have a hard time being sold on “yea it’s wrong a lot, also you have to spend more time than you already do on code review.” Getting to sit down and write the code is the most enjoyable part of the job, why would I deprive myself of that? By the time the problem has been defined well enough to explain it to an LLM sitting down and writing the code is typically very simple.

I'm confused when people say that LLMs take away the fun or creativity of programming. LLMs are only really good at the tedious parts.

First of all, it’s not tedious for a lot of us. Writing characters themselves is not a lot of time. Secondly, we don’t work in a waterfall model, even on the lowest levels, so the code quantity in an iteration is almost always abysmal or small. Many-many times it’s less than articulate it in English. Thirdly, if you need a wireframe for your code, or a first draft version, you can almost always copy-paste or generate them.

I can imagine that LLM is really helpful in some cases for some people. But so far, I couldn’t find a single example when I and simple copy-pasting wouldn’t have been faster. Not even when I tried it, not when others showed me how to use it.

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