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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by keeran »

herdcall wrote: post #362

It badly hallucinated in my test. I asked it "Rust crate to access Postgres with Arrow support" and it made up an arrow-postgres crate. It even gave sample Rust code using this fictional crate! Below is its response (code example omitted): I can recommend a Rust crate for accessing PostgreSQL with Arrow support. The primary crate you'll want to use is arrow-postgres, which combines the PostgreSQL connectivity of the…

This was pretty much my first experience with LLM code generation when these things first came out.

It's still a present issue whenever I go light on prompt details and I _always_ get caught out by it and it _always_ infuriates me.

I'm sure there are endless discussions on front running overconfident false positives and being better at prompting and seeding a project context, but 1-2 years into this world is like 20 in regular space, and it shouldn't be happening any more.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by jmrm »

prawn wrote: post #343
Toenex wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we already have Universal Basic Income, you just need to have a pointless job to collect it.

One suggested weakness of UBI is a lack of purpose. I wonder if the "solution" is somewhat as you implied: jobs without a strict return on investment. You get your stipend, but you're keeping your block clean by sweeping and mulching. They're getting theirs in exchange for cranking out sourdough at cost for the neighbourhood. Someone else gardens for elderly residents.

Not UBI per se, but this exists in rural parts of Southern Spain in some way, and is called Rural Employment Plan (PER in its Spanish initials).

The give simple jobs, like cleaning or painting, to people on the lower bottom of earnings. Most people in that plan are people with low formation, like those who left school in their mid teens.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by uzyn »

Surprised that Claude (the app, not model) not only has done well for so long, but has somewhat consistently clinched the top spot in coding, all without a feature that is considered somewhat of a basic feature for most consumer-facing AI apps.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by gavmor »

jason_zig wrote: post #269

Curious - does anyone want this stuff?

Yeah, I love this stuff! Compiling data from multiple pages into a single paragraph in the time it takes to read one page? Great stuff. I can't imagine living without Perplexity.

Oh, sure, it hallucinates a lot, and in dangerous ways, but even if I have to manually corroborate all the citations, I'm still saving time, especially insofar as it reveals whether or not I'm barking, broadly, up the wrong tree.

It's especially good for comparisons, because the results of two disparate search terms can be collated into the results.

Could this be done without LLMs, but only vector embeddings? Hm, maybe. Algolia is maybe the 80 for 20, but does Algolia have a web index?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by rank0 »

dataflow wrote: post #373
_heimdall wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI will almost certainly fail to cover the necessities unless we have Marx-style price controls. When everyone in the economy has a minimum of say $3,000 per month the cost of necessities, and everything else, will go up roughly in line with that.

I wasn't here to take a stance on UBI or argue over its practicalities, I was just explaining the intended outcome was not what the parent believed it to be. But fine, I'll bite. > will go up roughly in line with that Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty? I've thought about this before and I couldn't see this as a necessary outcome, though (depending on va…

> Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty?

Because we haven’t actually created anything. Supply is the same, demand is WAY up.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

small_scombrus wrote: post #354
prawn wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One suggested weakness of UBI is a lack of purpose. I wonder if the "solution" is somewhat as you implied: jobs without a strict return on investment. You get your stipend, but you're keeping your block clean by sweeping and mulching. They're getting theirs in exchange for cranking out sourdough at cost for the neighbourhood. Someone else gardens for elderly residents.

That sounds utopian

Oh but don’t worry I’m sure all the people who imagine these schemes assume they’ll be the ones who aren’t obsolete and forced to work menial jobs.

Very similar to how ultra hard core libertarians assume they’ll be the ones at the top of the food chain calling the shots and not be just another peasant.

But it doesn’t really matter because there is no way in hell any of these LLM’s will uproot all of society. I use LLMs all the time, they are amazing, but they aren’t gonna replace many jobs at all. They just aren’t capable of that.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by pizza »

Almondsetat wrote: post #111
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

>looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. LLMs are truly reaching human-like behavior then

It would probably be really great for web searching llms to let you calibrate how they should look for info by letting you do a small demonstration of how you would pick options yourself, then storing that preference feedback in your profile’s system prompt somehow.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

agrippanux wrote: post #282
shreezus wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why agentic AI will likely cause a cataclysim in white-collar labor soon. The reality is, a lot of jobs just need "OK" performers, not excellent ones, and the tipping point will be when the average AI is more useful than the average human.

I had a similar conversation with my CEO today - how does the incoming crop of college grads deal with the fact AI can do a lot of entry level jobs? This is especially timely for me as my son is about to enter college. So I ended up posing the question to Claude and the response was “figure out how to work with me or pick a field I can’t do” which was pretty much a flex.

Ask your CEO why the AI can’t replace their job. Because most of their job is just regurgitating what an LLM might spit out.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dataflow »

rank0 wrote: post #385
dataflow wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't here to take a stance on UBI or argue over its practicalities, I was just explaining the intended outcome was not what the parent believed it to be. But fine, I'll bite. > will go up roughly in line with that Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty? I've thought about this before and I couldn't see this as a necessary outcome, though (depending on va…

> Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty? Because we haven’t actually created anything. Supply is the same, demand is WAY up.

That doesn't follow. It's a reason to believe prices will increase, not that prices will increase roughly in line with the income increase. This distinction is not a minor detail, it's pretty crucial. If you give people $3k and the prices go up by $2k... that's a very different scenario from one where the prices go up by $3k.
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