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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by bambax »

fhd2 wrote: post #21
m00dy wrote: post #11

I wonder if shifting to cloud providers in the EU will lead to the rise of giant European cloud companies in both technology and infrastructure, or if this is just a short-term trend.

I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff. But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. That leaves AWS and Azure as strong options. There's a number of European cloud providers ( https://www.stackit.de looks especially interesting), but I'm looking for too-big…

OVH supports object storage and managed relational databases.

It's not on the level of AWS at the moment, but getting there fast.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by hnbad »

bad_user wrote: post #379
andrewinardeer wrote: post #378

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It can't be trusted because it is incorporated in Australia which has draconian digital survellience laws. Operated by trustworthy individuals is a moot point when they are compelled by law to build in a backdoor if asked. Even a warrant canary is forbidden.

You're repeating the same information as in the comment I'm replying to. The surveillance laws, no matter how often you repeat the word "draconian", are irrelevant because… Email isn't safe, and most of your email probably ends up on Google's or Microsoft's servers anyway, in which case US companies can be coerced by the US government to give them everything they have, while not being able to tell the public about it…

> Fastmail is a fine service, built and operated by trustworthy people

Yes, but their data centers aren't because they're operated by someone else in the US.

Fastmail is slightly better than using a US-based e-mail provider but it's still de facto US-based e-mail even if the company you sign up with sits in Australia. They don't control their own data centers and their data centers are in the US (whether they have additional data centers elsewhere doesn't matter if they're not transparent about which data center your data will go to).

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