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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by amluto »

csomar wrote: post #90
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

How would Russia help “contain” China? China’s actual territorial ambitions have never been especially wide ranging, and I really doubt that Russia would make a credible deal to help keep China’s military out of Taiwan.

To the contrary, China’s increasing power is economic. They out-manufacture everyone. They appear to be beating the US at its own recent games (BYD seems to be ahead of Tesla!). They have plenty of software expertise these days. They are approximately caught up in AI. They also happen to lead in non-petroleum-dependent energy, and Russia’s main strength is in its oil and gas resources.

If the US wants to remain a dominant economic power, how is Russia going to help?

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Post by kgwxd »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #283
tonyhart7 wrote: post #278

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US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

Thank you. This is what people with privilege don't get. There are concentric circles of giving a fuck: first in the center is yourself, then your family, then your friends, then your community, then your city, then your country, then other countries on the planet. It's impossible to get people to care about the outermost circle when their inner circles are not satisfied, so they won't be happy to see their elected o…

Then why did they vote against themselves, family, friends, community, city, country, and other countries? Uneducated people make uneducated votes. Privileged people get it, they just want you to be more educated, but you keep voting against that too.

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Post by microtonal »

lotharcable wrote: post #363
FromTheSteppe wrote: post #314

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The reason people are living paycheck to paycheck is not because of military aids, the system is not going to spend saved money on people, and people will be the ones fighting the incoming wars. You need unions and Universal Healthcare like the rest of the developed world to fix those problems.

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You know that most Western countries that have universal healthcare spend less on healthcare per capita than the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

It's all about the willingness to regulate healthcare to benefit the general population.

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

citrin_ru wrote: post #188
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #67

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Why do people think it is so far fetched that Trump is a Russian asset given his behavior in his last term (trying to blackmail Zelenskyy on an official call) and his credit problems in the past (no banks would lend to him given his failure to pay back any loan, with the exception of an obscure channel through a German bank)? Perhaps Trump is just in debt to Putin and this is payback, he was intentionally crass to Ze…

It's plausible that Trump owes some $$$ but what would stop Trump from just refusing to pay the debt back?

It's almost like he was once investigated for being a Russian agent motivated by Kompromat. I'm sure it has nothing to do with being a friend of Epstein and showing up in the manifests or Russian prostitutes with water sports or the 13 year old who sued him for raping her, not dissimilar from the civil lawsuit where he was found guilty for raping another woman, not dissimilar from him bragging he can just sexual assault any woman he wants.

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Post by vonnik »

amarcheschi wrote: post #86

I know very well it's a drop in the ocean, you can donate to ukraine here https://u24.gov.ua/ You can decide how to allocate your donation, defense, demining, humanitarian aid (...)

I have been helping to send aid to the Ukrainian army for the last 2.5 years through Ukraine Defense Fund:

https://ukrainedefensefund.org/

Profile of the founder in WIRED:

https://www.wired.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-military-reta...

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Post by rapind »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #278
bradhe wrote: post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

Good news! If you make more than $320,000 / year you'll benefit from a couple trillion dollars in tax cuts! That'll fix everything once it "trickles down"! Thank god we live in an era when we get to witness this genius in action.

Nevermind that the reason Ukraine can't defend itself is because the US guaranteed their security in exchange for them giving up their nukes. I mean, that was so 30 years ago.

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Post by fhat151ag »

croes wrote: post #233
rayiner wrote: post #228

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There’s no “propaganda network.” America has a president that overthrew the GOP leadership by destroying Jeb Bush over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr . After the mistakes of the last two decades, there is little appetite in America to do anything in foreign countries americans can’t find on a map beyond empty virtue signaling.

Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

He knows it's wrong. He wanted to elicit a counter statement from Zelensky. Which Zelensky gave, saying that he had 57% approval rating.

So now Trump can say: Look, if you have 57% approval rating, why do you shun elections?

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

smac__ wrote: post #305
kelipso wrote: post #291

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There is absolutely no requirement that the US has to get involved in every regional conflict in the world. Let the Ukrainians and Russians deal with their mess. There are plenty of other regional conflicts we ignore.

The USA was part of the Budapest Memorandum. This is a pretty strong reason for the USA to provide support for Ukraine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

The Budapest Memorandum says the US wont invade Ukraine. It is easy to do that from home.

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Post by kadoban »

nprateem wrote: post #226
tim333 wrote: post #202

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They've probably got video of him being whipped by some hookers or something. Or worse...

He had a decades-long, close friendship with Epstein, and a documented, admitted history of vile behavior with women and girls. You can guess what kompromat would look like.
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